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Let's talk about those unfortunate migrants who are having their lives ruined. In West Oakland, much ado was just made about ICE attempting to pick someone up near an elementary school [0]. Some locals swarmed the cops to try to protect the poor man from being "kidnapped."

Turns out ICE conducted a targeted immigration enforcement operation to arrest Gonzalo Ramirez Martez, whose rap sheet includes multiple arrests for DUI, domestic violence, driving on a suspended license, etc. I don't know of a developed nation that wouldn't deport a habitual drunk driver who beats women.

In my county, every local ICE apprehension has been the result of targeted operations against criminals with substantial records, to include domestic violence, rape, aggravated assault, and meth trafficking for the cartels among others. No exceptions have been found by the local press, and it's not for lack of trying.

Is my life better because these criminals are being deported? Yes. So long as one "side" pretends it's all innocents being kidnapped, the rest of us will ignore you, because it's obviously and demonstrably not the case. I don't want woman-beating violent felons in my immediate location, and if an American were doing the same thing in another country they would absolutely deserve to be sent home in handcuffs.

Do I have trepidation about the methods being used? Sure, it's why I'm in this thread. But let's not pretend there's no benefit to what's going on, because it seems pretty clear to this observer that removing repeat offenders is a good thing.

[0] https://www.sfchronicle.com/eastbay/article/ice-hoover-eleme...



The Gestapo, too, got the occasional actual criminal. It still wasn't a good organization.


What are you talking about? For all intents and purposes it is all innocents, and you know it. Arguing otherwise is just that - an argument, said just to try to "win" for your "side".

You're advocating that we assume everyone is a violent criminal so that we can jail that 1 in 9,000 that actually is dangerous. Guilty until proven innocent. You can't get more un-American than that, really.


Look, you asked 'is my life better?' and the answer is yes. I haven't seen any of these supposed innocent people being deported everyone keeps bringing up. What I have seen is people with significant criminal records being deported from my county, something I am great with. Violent felons who beat women or work for cartels don't need to be here, and so far every single person apprehended here has ended up having a substantial record.

I have also seen effectively zero retractions, corrections, or updates on press articles about these supposedly innocent people once their criminal histories become publicly available. Well, CBP or HSI or ICE will put up an announcement, but little good that does. It's no wonder people think ICE are the forces of evil when they never learn the "local father" is a registered sex offender or a violent drunk.

I absolutely share your concern over profiling driving patterns, but I don't think hyperbole is useful, and for me it immediately puts a person's credibility near zero.




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