Eh. Linus has a long history of abusive behavior towards other Linux contributors but also apparently apologized for it and started amending his ways. The Zig person I do not know by reputation, let alone in person. One post that he later chose to amend based on feedback is not enough for me to pass that kind of judgement. If anything, the fact that he updated it shows the opposite of lack of maturity. Adults can get frustrated. What they do with it is what matters.

Adults don’t call people losers or monkeys in social media. I am not passing judgement, it is simply not acceptable.

Really? You can’t think of any circumstances when it would be appropriate?

More to the point, if someone does it once and then stops, should we exclude this person from society forever?

Remember that only the Siths deal in absolutes.

Zero clue what your point is so please help me understand.

I was agreeing with your stance and adding my own anecdote that it’s a turnoff with the way those posts were originally formatted. Not people I would want to work with. If you do that’s fine. This is not star wars and simply my own choice as it’s everyone else.

I also cannot think of a time in my adult life I wanted to call out a group of people as losers or monkeys i n public.

My point is that Linus and the Zig guy are in different categories in my mind. I think it is a bit naive to lump them into the same category.

I would definitely classify the tiki torch wielding white nationalists as losers publicly, for example. In fact I have a hard time thinking of a better term for them. It could also apply to the fairly famous liar and criminal, the disgraced Congressman George Santos. Or any person who decides to flash kids at a playground, or beats his wife and children.

I think the Zig guy was a little over-dramatic with his initial post. He did change his mind, so in my book that's better than not. Linus did too, just after many years of bad behavior. My point is that your replies were painting the world with only black and white and there is a lot of gray area in between. Sometimes public shame is a valid way to do discourse. Often times it isn't. But it's not a "always" or "never" thing.

I did not realize we were lumping Microsoft engineers alongside white nationalists and pedos. Sure folks like that I can see people using descriptions like that.

We were not, or at least I was not.

> I also cannot think of a time in my adult life I wanted to call out a group of people as losers or monkeys i n public.

I guess that makes this your first time:

> Sure folks like that I can see people using descriptions like that.

All in all I think we generally agree that being respectful is better than being rude. And that some people who do not have respect also do not deserve respect. Shall we just leave it at that?

Then stop replying if you want to leave it at that? I have only agreed with your original statement and then you keep questioning my opinion. You are trying to pick over my words for no reason. Note I said I can see people using that language. I did not say myself. And of course why would I even think about pedos in the context of rude comments made to an unknown group of Microsoft engineers.

My opinion, I have no desire to work with people that write comments calling other engineers monkeys or losers. I have seen that behavior before and it’s not people I like to work with.