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Yes, but...

They also have one of the most profitable business models the world has ever seen. Their RPE (revenue per employee) is roughly $1mm and growing at a 50% YoY rate...

They heavily use technology as leverage for insane margin growth. 90% rule of 40 as well.


Yeah turns out leeching off the surveillance state makes heaps of money. Great business model


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> shall I say mostly of particular gender

You must be referring to the fact that 72% of our elected officials are male?


Upvoted. I would assume so, because male politicians like buying guns and stuff. They need data to know where to point them.


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Then maybe you should make your point openly, instead of this stupid dogwhistle. Are you saying women shouldn't be allowed to vote?


> Are you saying women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

The few comments you have left under this conversation serving it way better than all points I ever made (if I ever made the points to that, shall be added as a disclaimer). It's sort of funny you even fail to see that.


Classic bad-faith troll response. You refuse to openly state your position, because you know deep down that it is despicable and indefensible.

I am against the surveillance state, but I am not weak, gullible, or lazy enough to believe that it is somehow the result of women's suffrage. The two are not related, and your inability to untangle them shows that misogyny is more important to you than freedom.


Normally I wouldn't dignify that with a response, but just to put a final dot I'll share a few things.

Speaking of openly stating a position - sapienti sat. Can't see how more open it can be, but it's certainly not of everyones capacity to have ability to comprehend a thought. Fully aware of that.

For the rest of your comment - if you kind enough to pardon me for giving unsolicited advice - if I were you i would rather try not to manifest your insecurities but rather work on them, or at least do not show them in civilized discussions, which we all would like to have here on HN.

And certainly would be great if we can keep your fantasies like misogyny and sorts out of the discussion.

Dixi.


We are not stupid.


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Don't be afraid to say what you believe! let's bring this out in the open. you're saying that women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

I feel so sorry for you people. You need to find some constructive way to deal with your issues, instead of blaming your insecurities on women.


I've made a lot of baiting internet comments in my time, but not in my wildest imagination did I expect a response to my comment mocking Palantir to be anti-women's suffrage.


Spot on.


> Their RPE (revenue per employee) is roughly $1mm and growing at a 50% YoY rate...

Meanwhile OnlyFans is at something like $30mm per employee, which is wild.


I’m pretty sure that is not an apples-to-apples comparison. Most of the people producing value for OnlyFans are not employed at (or contractors for) OnlyFans. I’m sure other gig platforms also do really well ”per employee”. A comparison between them and Palantir makes little sense to me.


neither is palantir.


> Meanwhile OnlyFans is at something like $30mm per employee

Revenue 2023: $1.30 billion[1]

Employees: ~1000

So they are at Palantir levels, which still is wild.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnlyFans


$1MM is nothing if you compare that to Valve or Hyperliquid.

so yeah not the top of chain


How much of their revenue is from government contracts?

Is their profitable business model based on the fact that they're good at enabling & profiting from authoritarianism and corruption?


Have you looked at companies such as Jane's? Overall bigger market cap and RPE orders of magintude higher - don't fall for hype like everyone else, or at least check the numbers before saying 'most profitable', they are not even close.


They also are one of the most overvalued companies of all time right now.

The business model was completely stagnating before LLMs.

They are cashing in on the rush for large firms to wrangle data for LLMs but the entire concept of large firms and FDE has obvious scaling issues.


Yeah basically like Deloitte or BCG but with better, well paid engineers (instead of trying to outsource everything overseas to save $)


and yet they made a monstorus 214 mil in Q1 and Accenture Plc: $2.2 billion


This is so endearing. I've been at odds with my HOA [board] since I moved in and its a decades long tale of my community where everyone is treated poorly by our HOA.

I've asked the board for block parties annually, and events semi annually and theyve rejected it over and over again. Meanwhile I miss this type of community that I had in every building I lived in around NYC before moving to the mountains


If everyone is treated poorly by the HOA, you should be able to get them together and dissolve the HOA. Read the documents, there should be a procedure for dissolution.


Depending on the location, the way to dissolve an HOA is nearly impossible. You need to find out what to do with community assets (in a condo situation, this is not possible), and you also usually need somewhere between 75-100% of all members voting 'yes' (not just present voting). If it's 100% of all members, just a single uncooperative board member could prevent dissolution.


Are you an owner? the hoa is not the board - it’s the entirety of the home owners who can vote and amend any rules at any time with enough momentum and support.


Yea totally. I am an owner and I've been fighting with the board for 3 years over failure to hold elections, and inconsistent treatment of members / rules.

I have a lawyer, have won my first battle already but it cost me $6k out of pocket (and the HOA $25k) for something that should have never happened.

Next step is to expose the board and get people to turn out to vote, sadly there are unelected members on the board since 1995, and not enough turn out for a quorum so I am a bit hamstrung


Man I have to pick this up again. I was a top CTF, Arena, and duel player. I played through college competitively (2008)


as an american who avoids sugar and processed foods (like seed oils) its virtually impossible to eat out or buy anything beyond whole foods. Everything is contaminated.

Combine that with forever chemical use in packaging, pesticides in non-organic produce, our food supply chain is killing us.

I buy eggs from reputable regenerative free range, non-vegetarian fed chickens. I order my poultry and beef from regenerative farms across the country who are verified organic + grass fed + grass finished.

I bake my own bread and cook 95% of the meals I eat at home.

It costs an arm and a leg and isnt convenient but I feel much better.


So what you say means that I’m going the US only for a short visit, I’m basically fucked, because none of your options are easily available when living in a hotel for a week or two.


> processed foods (like seed oils)

Huh, apparently this originates with Joe Rogan [1].

In any case, I'm happy you found something that works for you. But you can find the quality you're looking for in restaurants in any Tier 1 city and most wealthy suburbs. (We absolutely have an issue with poorer communities having a choice between canned and fast food, in essence.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_oil_misinformation


Is this true? I know we all want to hate on Boeing for obvious reasons, but they did get a manned crew to space, without blowing anyone up...


Getting things into orbit is table stakes. Boeing needed to prove that they could build a reliable crew vehicle on a reasonable budget, and by that measure they have failed.


They did get a manned crew to space, yes. But the foremost expert agency on spaceflight, NASA, does not trust that craft to get the crew back down.


NASA does does not trust Boeing to return those astronauts to Earth alive. That is pretty devastating.


This is not 1962 when that was impressive . Boeing et. al. has been blundering since at least the 90s.

The last two decades of progress has come almost exclusively from “new space”.


The point of Starliner is not simply to get a manned crew to space, it is to implement a reusable ship. People forget that Starliner lands in the desert and is reusable.

That is a far more complicated job than sending a manned crew to space, which is, as other have indicated, table stakes at this point. Coming down safely and going back up with the same hardware is the required part of Starliner that massively failed.


NASA doesn't trust them to get said crew back. That's pretty damning. Instead of 8 days, they will stay up there for 8 months.


If you don’t get the crew safely back to earth again it doesn’t count.


> without blowing anyone up...

Yet


> without blowing anyone up

Not for lack of trying


Something the USSR did in 1961…


I'd suggest it was more like they limped across the finish line rather than finishing strong.


Thats no loonger the standard since many have done that by now. The standard is now manned cost to orbit. The race to the bottom in cost to orbit will inspire the next round of awe inducing spin off whose race to the bottom will then do the same for the next round... we are capturing the ripplesin the pond of capability improvement right now that has been held up for fifty years by space trvel being stuck in the realm of government (computing advancements held us back too so maybe only the last twenty years is attributable to the gocernment).


The Starliner crew had to go manual while approaching ISS because the autonomous docking software couldn't handle the five failed thrusters.

Watch the crew entering ISS. Williams is very, very, very happy to have survived the ascent. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsURePrNTx0>


I love this idea. Hong Kong has something kinda like this with bag check in town, and then a train to the airport. It's extremely convenient


Are there any other major international airports in the world that have the equivalent setup of Hongkong? For other readers: There is a fast-but-not-high-speed direct train from city centre to the airport. At the city terminal, there are tiny airline checkin booths where you can leave your bags. Magically, they are transported to the airport.


Yes, TPE in Taiwan has the same setup. At Taipei Main Station in the city center, there are airline checkin kiosks and bag drops. You take the train to the airport, and your bags are ingested into the baggage system for you.

https://www.tymetro.com.tw/tymetro-new/en/_pages/checkin/ind...


The Heathrow Express used to have this at Paddington station, though I think it closed a while ago.

A similar idea which is available in London though is Airportr - this is a company which will send someone to collect your bags from your home/hotel and then inject them directly into the airport baggage system for you (if you're flying with the right airlines and checked in online). I've used it a few times and it's very good.


I remember flying into Germany once, my ticket including the train, and my luggage having been sent on ahead to the Lufthansa terminal at the other end.

(I forget which city now, maybe Frankfurt?)

It was very cool except for the part where it was apparently so normal that they'd keep responsibility for your luggage that there wasn't (that I noticed, at least) any warning that was going to happen. I spent a while at baggage claim going wtf and eventually found a desk with somebody who took pity on me and explained.

A+ would use service again now I know how it works.


There are companies selling it: https://amadeus.com/en/portfolio/airports/off-airport-check-... but I've not seen anything as remote as Hong Kong.

I seem to remember Japan would let you check your luggage at the hotel and they'd handle a freight forwarder to your next hotel, which is not quite the same thing but related.


Aspen, CO

Pros:

- Can be outside all year round (provided you love snow like everyone else here).

- Tons of activities, culture, and interesting people.

- I get to play hockey and snowboard / mountain bike in the same day, with maybe 20 minutes of time in my car.

- The weather is impeccable (again if you like winter).

- Small town airport is amazing. Get there 15 minutes before boarding and walk right onto your plane.

Cons:

- Small town. 10k people means you run into people all the time, people build reputations, etc.

- Airport can be unreliable in weather.

- Cost prohibitive for most friends or family to visit easily.

- Everyone is white, and mostly rich. Lack of real diversity.

- Eating out is prohibitively expensive and feels extravagant. (Pro to this is I spend more time with my fiancé at home cooking together and eating healthier)

I lived in NYC for nearly 20 years, and I visit for 3-6 weeks a year. I love NYC more than anything, but also for now really love my life I've built here, even if it gets lonely sometimes -- I always remind myself that I was lonely sometimes in NYC too.

Its been really nice to get out of the day to day commute to work, get coffee at [insert favorite local coffee shot], get lunch, commute home, go out to dinner or order in, go to bed, rinse repeat.

I get to snowboard daily in the winter, ride my mountain bike in the summer, see gorgeous scenery on every ride or drive, and really have mother nature as my playground. I am physically and mentally healthier than I've ever been.

But I miss NYC


I recently moved to Park City and absolutely love it. Same sort of issues as Aspen though, now we just need to expand housing stock and it could be truly incredible.


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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly—not that your account has been posting frequently, but this comment and its predecessor https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37072443 have both broken the site guidelines.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.


I've been going down this rabbit hole for a while and don't have any conclusive answers.

I have always slept 7.5 hours in my adult life. I wake up a couple times a night briefly (and usually recall 1-2 time a night that it happens) but fall back asleep quickly.

My room is dark, and cold. Most of the times when I wake up it's because I am warm from my mattress (casper wave).

I am now purchasing a chilling pad for my side of the mattress to address that so I sleep deeper and more consistently.

I take magnesium because I am very active and have suffered for the last year or so from hypnic jerks, which are terrifying but have gone away since I started taking magnesium supplements before bed.

I occasionally have a hard time falling asleep or wake up early and cant get back to bed, but I still average 7.5hrs over a year -- and over 3 years since ive been tracking my sleep nightly.

I get sufficient REM, dont drink alcohol, gave up weed, and only have caffeine from 9am - 11am daily (1 coffee usually, sometimes a shot of espresso in addition).

Yet my deep sleep averages are ~45 minutes a night.

I am about to be 39, and I am unclear what to change beyond the mattress cooling pad which I will measure.

I've also started cold showers when waking up (60 seconds of cold to end my shower, working towards 2 minutes).

My family has zero history of Dementia so I am not as worried, but I am concerned with staying in tip top cognitive shape if possible.

I am tempted to try a sleep study and see what I might learn.

Edit: Lots of comments to address here.

- I exercise 60-90 minutes daily.

- I play a high level of hockey 4 days a week, snowboard or mountain bike 5 days a week.

- I am slightly over weight by scale, but I am just an athletic build.

- I eat healthy and cook nearly every meal I eat (I live in an expensive ski town with only high end eateries so I avoid them). Lots of brown rice, protein, fruit, and veggies.

- I walk 30-60 minutes a day (active dog).

- I get plenty of sunlight (within 30 minutes of waking)


> I take magnesium because I am very active and have suffered for the last year or so from hypnic jerks, which are terrifying but have gone away since I started taking magnesium supplements before bed.

I'm guessing you're taking magnesium L-threonate (Sometimes goes by Magtein). If not, it's worth a try.

> I've also started cold showers when waking up (60 seconds of cold to end my shower, working towards 2 minutes).

I do something similar. 3-min cold showers in the morning, yoga to regain the heat, then meditation, then breakfast. I feel it's relevant to my struggles with attention (doesn't throw me off like adderall does)

Best I ever slept was when I was cycling 45 minutes to and from work every day. It looks like you're doing quite a lot (of the same things I do) but if you're interested in throwing more in there... there's soemthing magical about the kind of cardio that lets you explore your limits.


I discovered by accident that glycine (~3000 mg) + NAC (they also sell it combined as GlyNAC) before bed made my sleep noticeably deeper. I'm not taking it to cure sleep but the effect is strong enough that I have noticed change, quite big actually.

ps. NAC can have sulfury/rotten-egg like scent, don't throw it away thinking it's outdated or something, it's normal


> I am tempted to try a sleep study and see what I might learn.

I strongly recommend to get sleep study, they will help to find the root of the symptoms.

10 years ago, I have issues with my sleeping pattern, waking up tired and still tired during the day. After my sleep study, I discovered I have sleep apnea which affects how I breathe during my sleeping cycle. After the diagnosis, I got a CPAP from my insurance and been using it ever since. It improved my sleep quality and I am able to dream more often than before.

If you have the same diagnosis as mine in the future, it will take some time to get used to Bi/CPAP. It can take up to a year to get used to it, it took me two years get used to wearing a mask. I was horrified to learn from my Somnologist that 90% of his patients are not consistent with CPAP usage or don't bother to use them. I know a friend's husband, who is a Physician Assistant, have the same diagnosis and refused to use the CPAP. His wife been begging him to use it because she can hear how he sleep during the night. Still to this day, he refused to use it and still complaining about the sleep quality.


It's been well over a decade of CPAP usage every night for me, but I still haven't gotten used to the stupid mask. I fight with it literally every single night. I own about 4-5 different masks and have tried probably double that number of variants in an attempt to reduce my frustration with it. I can't sleep without out it though, so there's no other option. I wake up gasping for air within ~3 minutes of sleep. That makes me a 100% compliant user over many years. My sleep neurologist was blown away by that statistic, citing the same issues you described: most people do not consistently use their CPAP machines.


I’ve had two sleep studies. I have once been diagnosed with type 2 narcolepsy and then later as my sleep hygiene improved that was changed to idiopathic hypersomnia. I don’t have sleep apnea.

At any time I call basically fall asleep within 5 minutes and I’m always tired. Has anyone else dealt with this?

I tried modafinil but felt horrible for weeks as I hoped my body would adjust. I’ve also considered armodafinil, but I fear the same effects.

The doctor wants me to try xyrem but it scares me, doesn’t have a lot of studies on it, and it’s basically a nonstarter because I have young jerks and need to be able to wake up if needed.

So all of that to say, is dementia inevitable for me? My guess is that I just sleep terrible.

Any advice is welcome.


I'd at least try the xyrem. I've tried it - didn't work for me (my sleep issues are caused by something else), but it's not as incapacitating as it's made out to sound.


*young kids lol

Hell of a typo


Can you even be admitted to a sleep study with a complaint about the amount of deep sleep?


I believe you can. It couldn't hurt to ask.


“90% of his patients are not consistent with CPAP usage”

That’s high. Surely someone can post scientific evidence that cpap helps with sleep despite the fact there’s almost 100% non-compliance.

/s


I've had a long struggle with sleep. The most effective supplements are:

* magnesium (threonate form before bed)

* D3 BUT MUST BE TAKEN WITH magnesium. 5000IU + 500mg magnesium. These two are linked. Taking D3 without magnesium can make a magnesium deficiency worse. This made a monumental difference for me.

* B complex also very important

* Glycine improved my quality of sleep


The B-100 complex has helped me a lot. I have to use it twice a day to undo the damage done from drinking energy drinks that have high dosages of inactive B vitamins which compete with the active forms and was leading to deficiency and nerve issues.


Do you take the vitamin d daily at nighttime?


Vitamin D is fat soluble so it must be take with meals to be absorbed.


I take it after breakfast.


I'm not an expert and you should probably listen to the other comments but for me it turned out to be stress. I have been using a Garmin tracker extensively and when I go on a longer vacation and stop thinking about work my stress drops tremendously and correspondingly my deep sleep goes up. The Garmin is not super accurate, but I find it does a good job pointing out trends. Something to consider and it's a lot harder fix than just reducing caffeine consumption or stopping alcohol consumption.


I'm convinced that stress is the #1 killer of deep sleep.

Everyone: "you should be less stressed for better health"

Also everyone: "you should work more and take on more responsibilities at work"

At 41, all I want to do is take care of myself and my family well. Everything else in my life can fight over the remaining bits of time.


> Also everyone: "you should work more and take on more responsibilities at work"

Eh this doesn't sound like something everyone says.


Stress is hard measure so I don't have a way to say I am more or less stressed than normal.

As another poster asked -- I have had tons of trauma but also put work in to overcome it. I have a great, healthy life.

I always work hard to quiet my mind but sometimes its hard to. I am an entrepreneur but rarely find myself ruminating late at night about it (these days). When I am stressed I find it harder to fall asleep for sure, but that isn't as often as it was when I was younger


As another poster linked, you may be a slow caffeine metabolizer. I am and avoiding caffeine entirely makes a big difference.

Another thing that might be making a difference is what you do in the hour to two hours before sleep. If I do anything exciting, like sports, suspenseful media & games, or anything analytical, then that will delay how quickly my body relaxes into later in the night, which messes up the beginning of the night when deep sleep mostly occurs.

Lastly, if you're measuring your deep sleep based off of a device that isn't on your head, then take that data with a huge grain of salt. I compared sleep data from an Oura ring with the Dreem 2 headband and the ring was consistently so wrong as to be useless for driving better sleep behavior.


My ring - thus far - has been extremely correct about my sleep, as far as my wife and I can tell.

However, its activity recording is extremely inaccurate. I get moderate/low activity scores every day despite engaging in intensive weightlifting sessions, riding bicycles, and going to jujutsu class. I lift till I cannot lift; I roll until I gas out... yet my ring tells me, day after day, I need to be more active.


This is a great recommendation -- I dont really need caffeine but its a ritual I adore. I can definitely give it up so I think its where I can start. Thank you!


See my comment above about using chocolate as a bridge to deal with caffeine withdrawal. For me the brain fog and headaches always made it hard to transition to getting off caffeine, but chocolate is a good methadone for a week.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38103097


Really disappointed to learn they took the Dreem 2 off the market, it looked very interesting!


Do you have any complaints about your sleeping other than being unhappy about this metric some app is reporting?


Not really. I feel tired during the day sometimes but way less than when I used to work in an office every day. Usually a quick walk shakes it off if I have no cardio planned.

I think I’m mostly trying to understand what I can and cannot control in my life as I age


Nothing has helped my sleep more than using 3M medical tape to tape my mouth shut during sleep. So I'm forced to breath through my noise when I sleep. (Or I wake up and remove the tape if I'm stuffed up.)

I had sleep issues all my life. My dentist said it looked like I had sleep issues (one side of my teether pushed on more than the others) and a surgeon recommended increasing the size of my nasal cavity. But I didn't want surgery. When the book "Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art" by James Nestor I saw several unrelated people report success with this. It's completely changed my life and I wish I had started this long ago.

(Obviously not medical advice, I'm not a doctor at all, do your own research etc.)


You’ve been very thorough with physical/biological variables which would suggest maybe psychological factors could be impacting you.

Do you have a high amount of ambient stress in your life? Existential fears? Past traumas? Unfulfilled responsibilities? Debt?


I don't see any mention of exercise in your post.

>However, we do know that moderate aerobic exercise increases the amount of slow wave sleep you get. Slow wave sleep refers to deep sleep, where the brain and body have a chance to rejuvenate.


Updated my post, I get 60-90 minutes of cardio a day and 30-60 of walking (zone 2)


Oh ok, maybe you are exhausted haha.


Having gone down this route recently, I can +1 the cooling pad. I used Ooler, there are many options now.

However also worth considering a better mattress, memory foam is really hot. I just upgraded to an innerspring base / latex & microcoil top, and my previous issues with overheating are gone. YMMV, there are arguments for cooling even if your passive situation isn’t too hot.


I avoid all "cooling foam" or "gel foam" as it has a relatively fixed capacity to absorb heat. In other words, it seems cold in the store and also for the first few hours of the night. But after it does its phase-change magic, it gets dramatically hotter and can wake you up around the time cortisol starts increasing like 3-4AM.


Can confirm... I have a foam mattress that claims to have the fancy cooling stuff built in. It's actually all-around fine in the summer when the temps are 75F inside and I can sleep with few/no blankets, but I live in the Midwest and the house thermostat is set to heat up to 65F for 2/3 of the year. For the first 15 minutes, it's like crawling into a very soft refrigerator. And a few hours later, I'll wake up dehydrated and soaked in sweat.

I've managed to mostly tame it by putting a quilt or two under the bottom sheet.


Have you ever tried a different sleep schedule? Or have you ever noticed a difference in a different timezone?

For me I get deep sleep best between around 8-10Pm and about 9Am-1pm. My sleep at night is fairly restless even if I try and do all the proper steps, but I can get great sleep pretty much no matter what during those hours.


Some ideas for things to try

1. Eat at the same time every day. When you eat impacts your circadian rhythm.

2. Sleep and wake up at the same time every day.

3. Exercise, fatigue from exercise is known to improve sleep.

4. Expose yourself to sunlight first thing in the morning.

5. Lose weight.


For a lot of people, zero caffeine is the only way to get proper sleep.


Maybe you should just not worry about it so much.


I’m an avid snowboarder and mountain biker and live in a Colorado ski town. I had called detection and crash detection enabled on my phone and watch since it came out.

I was thrilled when I took a bad spill over the bars of my mountain bike at 30mph downhill and my phone offered to call 911.

I was dismayed when I started snowboarding this season and without falling my watch texted my emergency contacts and called 911 repeatedly on my first runs of the season.

I’ve now disabled it as my older mother doesn’t need another reason to be scared of her son doing extreme sports regularly.

Now I lost the extra safety the feature provided simply because it was incapable of understanding snowboarding behavior.


Hopefully Apple refines this.. overall, this is the cycle that improves things


I started a company to pursue circadian lighting (called Twist) and sadly pivoted away from it as a core value proposition because of weak reception from the market.

I feel we were 20 years too early (we shut down about 5 years ago).

Our tech enabled smart circadian lighting (we called it adaptive lighting) without configuration, an app, or wifi. The lightbulbs worked without any smart gadgetry necessary.

Every time the switch turned on the light made a 20 ms computation based on the time it stored (via a low power clock and a super cap) and turned to the right brightness and color temperature automatically. This was protected by a patent but also could not find a buyer for the tech despite how differentiated it was

Now I have an entire home with hue downlights + bulbs that does circadian lighting (with HASS as well) and while its not nearly as elegant of a solution as Twist (aforementioned startup), it is pretty great and a huge life changer to me and my fiancè.

Edit: for context we use Philips Hue downlight retrofits + bulbs in other fixtures, all white ambiance, and Lutron Aurora dimmers, connected to HASS on a RBPI, running adaptive lighting from HACS


In all honesty, I’ve found it healthier to have fixed color temperature in different rooms, and change what room I’m in throughout the day. I’m only in my bedroom when warm lighting makes sense, I’m only in my office when cool lighting makes sense. That helps establish other healthy habits than just sleep, and keeping the bedroom dedicated to sex and sleep is a good practice anyway to combat insomnia.


That sounds great, but many people (especially those living in cities) don't have that many rooms in their home, so other solutions are needed.


In the past I have put up a curtain around my bed (although originally for other reasons.) Like a homemade canopy bed!


> although originally for other reasons

I dont want to get into too much speculation, but the answer obiviously is building a fort?


> keeping the bedroom dedicated to sex and sleep

Yes. No computer of any sort, the alarm clock's only advanced technology is radio-synchronization and I don't even let a book enter the bedroom - that is for the living-room couch. Does wonder for sanctuarizing the late evening !


So you don't charge your phone in your bedroom?


If they won't even let a book in, the phone is definitely in exile - between eye strain, work emails, and the entire internet, phones are pretty terrible sleep hygiene offenders.


I've heard this often enough that I'd repeat it as general advice, but personally I find that reading on my phone until it's falling out of my hand expedites falling asleep better than anything else, as long as it's not something that compels me to reply / take notes / data flow into the phone (a "two steps back" event). A long-ish article, not doomscrolling.

And definitely use f.lux or equivalent, which is built in these days (at least the phones I've had recently).


Me too. And my phone automatically goes on do-not-disturb prior to bedtime, so no concern of seeing a notification that gets my brain going.

The other nice thing about reading on my phone rather than reading a physical book before bed as I used to do is that I don't need a light. I have the phone brightness turned way down, and obviously use light text on black background. Helps with falling asleep and doesn't disturb my wife if she's going to sleep before me.


I guess some people worry about being unreachable by family in an emergency


That might be a valid corner case, but most folks in this category are simply mildly addicted to screens the kick the usage gives them.

Drug addicts have been vilified for many decades yet most western population falls into some addict category, be it screens, various fetishes, sugary products/chocolate, tobacco products, alcohol, prescription drugs and so on just from legal state-approved sphere.

Just look at average teens these days. Try taking them their gadgets if you want to see some proper hate in their eyes.


I'm shocked that you didn't mention caffeine -- caffeine addiction, in my opinion, is rampant, especially among office workers.

No judgment, either; I struggle without coffee.


I think most modern phones let you select a list of people that will be able to reach you in an emergency.

Mine also has a setting to allow the phone if people call twice within 3 minutes or something.


I used to oversleep but it's completely fixed by leaving my phone in the living room so I must get out of the bed and shut the alarm off.


I do this, but also have different lighting options in certain rooms, like the office.

In my office, the ceiling light is a daylight bulb, but i also have a couple lamps with warmer lights. During the day, I run the ceiling light, and after sunset, turn the ceiling light off and turn the lamps on.

Perhaps a bit Luddite, but less fuss and cost.


Did you try punching in your folk wisdom into clinicaltrials.gov?

Here's "blue light sleep":

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=blue+light+sleep...

Do you see any affect of blue light on sleep? Or do you see conclusive evidence that blue light does not affect sleep?


This reply comes off as needlessly condescending. If you have a point to make, make it, don't assign homework and ask leading questions.


I was curious where you were coming from, since I thought I had read research on this and my own experience is that changing light temperature is incredibly helpful.

The first one I clicked on showed blue-blocking lenses measurably improve sleep. I don't find the need to confirm more research at this point, given that it clearly helps me.


Blue blocking never helped me but dimming and warming the lights close to bedtime makes me sleep so much better


Adding our failed Series A pitch deck because I think its interesting for this crowd:

https://docsend.com/view/bm5za5w


That sounds amazing (insert Fry throwing money meme).

It's too bad it didn't work out. I wonder if there's been any success stories where an idea failed but then later the founder tried again?

I'm guessing usually the first experience burns them out they probably dont bother again.


That's a seriously great deck. Did you do a public post-mortem of why you think you were unable to raise?


No and candidly I mishandled the entire shutdown. As a solo founder, my company going insolvent really put me in a dark place.

I’m happy to talk about it now though.

I think the problem was twofold. We were trying to raise during a tumultuous time for consumer hardware — when VCs were really skeptical of hardware without subscription revenue streams. And our unit economics story was really challenging. COGs grew considerably to get to shipping and that compressed our margins in a way that made the growth story seem capitally intensive. I was convinced we could reduce costs and increase AOV / LTV but VCs really wanted subscriptions


What kind of subscriptions were being considered, if you can still recall?


We didnt consider any, hence the friction towards getting more capital


Was there a reason for not considering it?


Impressive deck!

Why didn't the raise succeed?


That sounds like something you want as a feature in bigger system, not something you'd want to buy a specific bulb just for that.

> Every time the switch turned on the light made a 20 ms computation based on the time it stored (via a low power clock and a super cap) and turned to the right brightness and color temperature automatically.

Where it got the time sync from ? You said it didn't need configuration or an app ?


It sounded like it was a real-time-clock chip, powered by the capacitor. So it's self-contained.


Right but that cap ain't gonna hold power for few months on the shelf. Supercap self-discharge rate is high enough that it will be down to zero in weeks to months from my experience.


I guess it could get it from GPS if each bulb contained a radio but this sounds incredibly inefficient


How did these Twist bulbs account for differences in time zone? If I have some of these lights and I move hundreds of miles to a new time zone, plug the same lights into the new home, how do they lights know?


Yea great question. The bulbs were provisioned via an iOS app and there was a Wifi bulb sold that had a speaker in it (part of our pivot towards more marketable products)

The bulbs could have been updated either by A) having a wifi bulb that then synchronized each other node via a low power mesh network, or B) by opening the app and connecting to the network.

We effectively used the BLE radio to make a mesh network and a BLE device (phone) could connect and send and receive over the mesh.


This is exactly a product idea I had and a product I have been desperate to find and buy. Included the "no cloud connection or hub needed" being a desired feature.

Instead I now have a crappy overly complex setup that involves a bunch of lifx bulbs, a flic hub and buttons and a synology NAS running some python scripts from task scheduler every few minutes to set the desired temperature at certain time ranges (hard coded).

That Twist idea sound(ed) perfect. What a bummer that it didnt work out.


I kinda wish industry would converge on one standard for the devices themselves and compete on "IOT cloud/hub controller" instead of trying to build tiny closed ecosystems around eachother.

MQTT + some schema for typical devices would be a dream. Maybe have some of those devices be able to act as hub themselves with option to connect to "bigger" controller (whether cloud or on premise) but still be able to handle basic functions when say internet is down


That kind of already exists with Home Assistant. Granted, it often feels like a thin wrapper around lots of tiny closed ecosystems, but the fact that most things interoperate well enough means I can recommend it.

Matter/Thread exist as well, and some smart device makers claim to already have adopted it, so we'll see how that all goes.


I used it few years ago and it had problem of occasionally disconnecting from MQ (I was using external one) and just... not reconnecting.

> Matter/Thread exist as well, and some smart device makers claim to already have adopted it, so we'll see how that all goes.

I'm kinda worried it will be the usual bloated standard by comitee result; tho I guess even if that happens it would still be better to have to implement one bloated standard instead of dozen incompatible ones.

Also at least wikipedia page says its "Proprietary, by certification" so eh, I'm worried


You're kind of describing home assistant. It integrates with all the various non interoperable standards and gives them the same interface. (In the ui sense, but also in the sense that you can write scripts that cross manufacturer boundaries.)


I know, but I'd prefer if it came that way from manufacturer instead of hacking at it away.

Like, I converted one of (sadly out of production) mpower pro power strips (it was great, cheap 6 socket with power measurement per socket) to talk to it but it wasn't exactly great experience.

The config of IoT devices should be just "start an app, point it to your (or cloud) controller, done", not "browse compatibility list and hope HASS supports it and the manufacturer won't break that support on update".


I wonder how much it would cost to put an gps receiver in every lightbulb? If you can get a gps signal you can get a rough guesstimate of the bulbs location and time and therefore adjust to fit the local circadian rhythm.

Or maybe you could sync to a local radio time station?


Too much still, also usually no GNSS reception in the usual bulb locations, except maybe for those wooden cardboard houses everywhere in the US (:

Those radio time services over AM/FM better and cheaper for thst.


both GPS and radio time receivers are very expensive. LED bulbs are a commodity product and thus have little room for margin.

Our low power clock + super cap added $1.25 of BOM which translates to $2.50-$3 of cost to the user.

Led bulbs at Home Depot are $3-5 on the low end.


I would easily pay 30+ USD per bulb if it had time-sync and NO internet connection (LAN optional and not a must-have).

Actually I already did. LIFX day night bulbs cost more than that and don't have the functionality that you had in your product out of the box.

Actually personally I would pay as much as 50 USD per bulb for standalone bulbs that just follow a cycle pre-set by myself over BLE or wifi or even a freaking USB port :p

Maybe they exist but I haven't been able to find them.


$2-3 but GPS antenna is pretty bulky so forget it.

Local radio time is generally iffy if you can't afford bigger antenna. Syncing my watch is basically impossible indoors, althought you might be able to get a bit bigger antenna in a bulb... but they will also be in much worse locations (near walls and inside metal enclosures)


We've worked on similar circadian products, and I have a similar setup at home. IMO, we're getting closer to the time the market is ready. The main learning is to release MVPs and continue to gather feedback from/build a relationship with the core early adopter market. The market is small, probably in the tens of millions of dollars annually, but the right solution is going to be easy to setup/use with a good UI, and priced at a slight premium over other lighting (but not exorbitantly).


If you ask me I dont think average users will ever pay for a solution to this problem.

People are simply not aware that their blue-heavy LED lights either cause harm to their sleep schedule or simply feel clinical at night.

I live in a very affluent mountain town now, one thats very aware of light pollution and is a general haven for health nuts, and yet 75% of the houses I see with lights on at night have blue-white lights. Especially in their kitchens. This makes sense as they are working areas


> If you ask me I dont think average users will ever pay for a solution to this problem.

I tend to agree. I'm inclined to appreciate the technology, yet at the same time I don't think I like it well enough to blow $60/each to replace all my can lights with Hues. I just run 2700K bulbs for almost every light in the house (excepting the garage & my workshop), and in some areas I make it very bright in lieu of going towards the blue end of the spectrum.


To be clear, I don't think companies should be focused on average users. At least not for a while (until there is sufficient education and agreement that this is a problem, if that ever happens). The market is all about early adopters for the foreseeable future.


Have you noticed the median age of those with white lights? I'd assume it's mostly old people. Personally, I'd stay in the dark before subjecting myself to that sort of unnatural light


In my experience (as someone who has advocated for f.lux and natural lighting since the early days) even when people are directly exposed to the benefits (such as leaving a shift at 11pm and being able to sleep restfully when they get home) it’s still difficult for them to change habits. The work/life autopilot just does not seem to have room for it.

It’s truly heartbreaking, and doubly so when we lose out on companies like Twist.


Oh man, this sounds exactly like what I'm looking for. I find all these smart setups too involved and finnicky. On-off timers are too coarse though. I want slow rising sun.


open the curtains/blinds, when the sun comes up, sunlight gets in.

even if you want to control the time of day this happens, surely you realize that your body evolved according to the sun's timetable, and benefits from that timetable.

if you're not a day shift worker I understand completely.


Um I can open the curtains all I want, there's little sun in German winters out there.

The automatic part is also important since I need it to get up from bed.


Would you mind sharing the patent number? It sounds like an interesting technology to read more about.


https://patents.google.com/patent/US9784417B1/en?oq=9784417

A lot of the claims surrounded how we designed and manufactured a light bulb that was modular.

We could support speakers, cameras, and sensors in the same form factor without any material mechanical or electrical changes.


I use orange led bulbs in a parallel system to the white lights. Some in lamps plugged into a power strip with a switch.

Simple and cheap, but requires extra lamps.


The cost of a lamp a tunable bulb and a fraction of an rpi is almost certainly lower than the cost of 2 lamps and 2 bulbs.


Two things, I set this up long ago before tunable bulbs were cheap, and the single tunable bulb I checked out subsequently didn't emit just orange, it had some blue.


Have you ever thought about just releasing the patent for everyone to use? Patents stifle innovation iirc.


Not to sound like the infamous Dropbox comment, but would the patent prevent you from doing? Changing light temperature and colour over the course of the day? I've been doing that for years with a cronjob. Doing so without a microcontroller? Those cost pennies nowadays.


The patent was handed over to our debt financing company (WTI) and sits idle.

The actual patent covered the method for tracking time without power and for synchronizing clocks over a low power mesh network


> we shut down about 5 years ago


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