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> The GnuPG upstream has denounced the IETF-driven OpenPGP standardization process and has subsequently been removed from other major package management software such as apt and rpm over the last three years. Compatibility with other OpenPGP implementations is no longer guaranteed...

What?? First time I'm hearing of this schism. I wish the FOSS community had less disagreements all over the place.


Why always POSIX compliant? If its going to be a learning exercise or a hobby OS or just an exploration, why not throw POSIX out the window and start from scratch for designing the API?


Source of ready-to-go software for use/testing?


That's actually an interesting idea, the main reason is that I wanted to take a doom port that is posix compliant and see if I can make it run


He's mainly talking about environmental & social consequences now and in the future. He personally is beyond reach of such consequences given his seniority and age, so this speculative tangent is detracting from his main point, to put it charitably.


>He's mainly talking about environmental & social consequences

That's such a weak argument. Then why not stop driving, stop watching TV, stop using the internet? Hell... let's go back and stop using the steam engine for that matter.


The issue with this line of argumentation is that unlike gen AI, all of the things you listed produce actual value.


Maybe you're forgetting something but genAI does produce value. Subjective value, yes. But still value to others who can make use of them.

End of the day your current prosperity is made by advances in energy and technology. It would be disingenuous to deny that and to deny the freedom of others to progress in their field of study.


Just because somebody believes Gen ai produces value doesn't make it true.


You definitely didn't read what I said. It is subjective value, it will be true to some.


> Then why not stop driving

You mean, we should all drive, oh I don't know, Electric powered cars?


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> You criticize society and yet you participate in it. How curious.


I didn't criticize society though?


Ah... the old "all or nothing" fallacy, which in this case quickly leads to "save the planet, kill yourself". We need more nuance.


What is the nuance? Let us know.

What are his hobbies? Let’s pit them against training LLMs in value and pollution rate.


No you’re just deflecting his points with an ad hominem argument. Stop pretending to assume what he ‘truly feels’.


I don't even know who Rob Pike is to be honest. I'm not attacking him.

I'm not pretending to know how he feels. I'm just reading between the lines and speculating.


Maybe you should do some basic research instead of speculating. Rob Pike is not just some random software developer who might worry about his job.


I was just accused of ad hominem. Now you want me to get accused of appeal to authority?


No, the point is that your speculations simply do not make sense for someone like Rob. He is not a random software engineer in some company and also he is retired.


I’m basing this purely on what he said, not who he is. I think that’s the best way to judge this thread. Regardless, I was accused of ad hominem and you want me to appeal to authority.

Sometimes HN is weird.


You've made baseless assumptions about his "true" feelings. If you did some basic research, you would have quickly realized that your speculations were way off. This is about context, not about authority.


I already said many times that I was reading between the lines and it was speculation.

You keep asking me to appeal to authority. No thanks.

It is what it is. To me, it’s clear that he wants things to go back to pre ChatGPT because that’s the world he’s familiar with and that’s the world he has most power.

Otherwise, he wouldn’t make such idiotic claims.


> You keep asking me to appeal to authority.

I don't. I just asked to do some research instead of indulging in wild speculation.

> because that’s the world he’s familiar with and that’s the world he has most power.

Again, just baseless speculation. Rob had a very prolific where he worked on foundational technologies like programming language design. He is now retired. What kind of power would he be afraid to lose?

Would you at least consider the possibility that his ethical concerns might be sincere?


  I don't. I just asked to do some research instead of indulging in wild speculation.
You are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

  An argument from authority[a] is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority figure (or figures) is used as evidence to support an argument.[1] The argument from authority is often considered a logical fallacy[2] and obtaining knowledge in this way is fallible.[3][4]

  Again, just baseless speculation. Rob had a very prolific where he worked on foundational technologies like programming language design. He is now retired. What kind of power would he be afraid to lose?
Clout? Historical importance? Feeling like people are forgetting him? If he didn't care about any of this, he wouldn't have a social media account.


I'm not saying that Rob is right because of his achievements. I'm only saying that your speculations in your original post are ridiculous considering Rob's career and personal situation.

> Clout? Historical importance? Feeling like people are forgetting him?

Even more speculation.

Just in case you are not aware: there are many people who really think that what the big AI companies are doing is unethical. Rob may be one of them.


Stop appealing to authority. Just argue about facts and what was said.

You also keep accusing me of speculation but I already mentioned multiple times that it’s speculation. I never said it’s not speculation. It’s you who can’t make a coherent come back argument except to tell me to research and then respect him.


It's you who didn't look up some facts before posting. Please read your original post and then tell me how it possibly relates to Rob's situation.

> You also keep accusing me of speculation but I already mentioned multiple times that it’s speculation.

Yes, you mentioned it yourself, but you don't seem to understand the problem with it.


You mean you can't critize certain parts of society unless you live like a hermite?

> Obviously, it's just what I'm seeing.

Have you considered that this may just be a rationalization on your part?


They do have a reference implementation: weston and libweston but as far as I know, third parties don't use. They implement all their own functionality. Weston is confined more as a prototype.


The only Hard requirements are a CPU with SSE 4.2 and POPCNT. Win11 will simply not install on older CPUs. The rest of the requirements can be bypassed but Microsoft will block you from the annual major feature upgrades. You will have to do those manually too. They also claim that your stability and performance on pre-8th Gen CPUs will be degraded and they will give no support, but in reality it runs just fine. Win11 is sluggish on all CPUs anyway.


When will humans evolve to be less aggressive before we devolve into catastrophic collapse?


We already did. Most of us, anyway. Unfortunately it only takes a few percent to spoil it for all the rest.


For what it’s worth, I think even the worst outcomes wouldn’t necessarily force us to extinction. Would be a bit of a reset though.


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You’re a fan of Lamarck?


And which theory about God do you think lacks merit?


Yeah IT pros and tech aware "power" users can always take these measures but the very availability of poor or maliciously coded extensions and apps in popular app stores makes it a problem considering normies will get swayed by the swanky features the software promises and will click past all misgivings and warnings. Social engineering attacks are impossible to prevent using technical means alone. Either a critical mass of ordinary people need to become more safety/privacy conscious or general purpose computing devices will become more & more niche as the very industry which creates these problems in the first place by poor review will also sell the solution of universal thin-clients and locked down devices, of course with the very happy cooperation of govts everywhere.


Visiting this site with a freshly installed, stock Tor browser (therefore with JS enabled, no settings changed from defaults) on Debian stable gives me:

"Our tests indicate that you have strong protection against Web tracking."

"Within our dataset of several hundred thousand visitors tested in the past 45 days, only one in 301.9 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 8.24 bits of identifying information."

Interestingly, increasing the Tor Browser Security level from Safe to Safer actually increased the bits of identifying information and reduced the anonymity:

"Within our dataset of several hundred thousand visitors tested in the past 45 days, only one in 832.32 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 9.7 bits of identifying information."

And at the Safest Security level (i.e. with JS diabled) the identifying bits and anonymization appear to be at their best:

"Within our dataset of several hundred thousand visitors tested in the past 45 days, only one in 261.41 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 8.03 bits of identifying information."


I'm also on Debian 13 stable, that's definitely not what I get with JS. Weird.


What we need is VPB. Virtual Private Browser like VPNs. Essentially standardised cloud browsers that can execute your requests and send you back the result as bitmap buffers.


I believe Cloudflare has this product already https://www.cloudflare.com/zero-trust/products/browser-isola...


Not all websites work well, and you get a lot of captchas last time I tried it. From memory the way they make this work is pretty cool though, they capture Skia draw commands and send those over the network and use a wasm library to replay them.


Great idea! How to make sure that the users data stays private without the cloud knowing where the user is surfing. And I wonder how to monetise it? Subscription?


Didn't Stallman himself write and use something in the same vein to browse the internet?


So basically VNC?


For Rust I'd expect the implementation to be the real beast, versus the language itself. But not sure how it compares to C++ implementation complexity.


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