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The sheer power of AI astroturfing right now is kind of blowing my mind, and not in a good way.

In the span of roughly 3 days, I went from never once having heard the terms "clawdbot" or "gas town" to seeing them brought up repeatedly throughout every single tech discussion space I frequent (with no real use cases ever brought up, of course, just vague claims it being the next big thing, I still have no idea what either of these things actually do).

This "clawdbot"'s github repository apparently went from 5k stars to 70k stars in the span of a week, according to the graph proudly displayed on the readme. And I'm supposed to believe these are 70k real people, not 70k bot accounts.

I think this is the final nail on the coffin for human-to-human communication on the internet. I'm just going to assume it's all bots now.


I just tried to purchase pro from within the app just to see what the price is, and the Google Play purchase popup tells me it's not available. Interesting.

> You're not talking to an AI coder anymore. You're talking to a team lead. The lead doesn't write code - it plans, delegates, and synthesizes.

Even 90 word tweets are now too long for these people to write without using AI, apparently.


I wonder how much 'listening' to an LLM all day affects one's own prose? Mimicry is in the genes…

I accidentally gave my wife a prompt the other day. Everything was hellishly busy and I said something along the lines of “I need to ask you a question. Please answer the question. Please don’t answer any other issues just yet.” She looked at me and asked “Did you just PROMPT me?” We laughed. (The question was the sort that might spawn talking about something else and was completely harmless. In the abstract, my intent was fine but my method was hilariously tainted.)

It affects it very heavily IME. People need to make sure they are getting a good mix of writing from other sources.

You're absolutely right! I apologise — hopefully you can forgive me.

Them words be hard, man! We builders, changing da world!

> this new technology has changed my job and I refuse to use it because I'm afraid

You're confusing fear with disgust. Nobody is afraid of your slop, we're disgusted by it. You're making a huge sloppy mess everywhere you go and then leaving it for the rest of us to clean up, all while acting like we should be thankful for your contribution.


> I just don't really want to hear about your personal opinion on it any more.

And I don't want to hear about how the world of software engineering has been revolutionized because you always hated programming with a passion, but can now instead pay $200 to have Claude bring your groundbreaking B2B SaaS Todo app idea to life, yet that's basically all I hear about in any tech discussion space.

You should ask your AI assistant to explain to you why people would go out of their way to take a stand against this.


You should ask an AI why this impression is very wrong.

> Wikipedia spends $185m per year

Only a small fraction of that is spent on actually hosting the website. The rest goes into the pockets of the owners and their friends.

You can do a lot with very little if your primary goal isn't to enrich yourself.


Do you have a source for that?

Being a 503c, they're required to disclose their expenditures, among other things. CN gives them a perfect score, and the expense ratio section puts their program spend at 77.4% of the budget https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/200049703#overall-ratin...

Worth mentioning that Wikipedia gets an order of magnitude more traffic than the Internet archive.


In their latest available annual report, the Wikimedia Foundation reported that in 2024 they brought in $185M in revenue/donations, of which they spent $178M. Of that $178M, $106M was spent on salaries and benefits, and $26M on awards and grants. So, that accounts for 75% of their spending. "Internet hosting" is listed at only $3M though there are other line items such as "Professional service expenses" at $13M that probably relate to running Wikipedia too.

Scroll down to the "Statement of activities (audited)" section:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/annualreports/2023-2024-annu...


> $106M was spent on salaries and benefits

…across 650 employees, which is $166K on average.


> Worth mentioning that Wikipedia gets an order of magnitude more traffic than the Internet archive.

With an order of magnitude less data to host, though. The entirety of Wikipedia is less than 1PB [1], while the entirety of IA is 175+ PB [2].

Traffic is relatively cheap, especially for a very cache-friendly website like Wikipedia.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia

[2] https://archive.org/about/


Wikipedia's actual hosting is not expensive and never has been.

https://wikimediafoundation.org/who-we-are/financial-reports...

If you look at the audited financial report of last year.

$3,474,785 was spent on hosting. Which makes sense its basically a static site.

This is out of expenses of $190,938,007

Thats about 1.8%. This is not new. Its been the case for years. Wikipedia has never had very high hosting costs. Its always been going into their grants or whatever else.

Despite the nonsense about AI overloading their servers even if it doubled the load it would barely affect the budget.


My countdown to donating to Wikipedia when a random MAGA nerd makes some baseless claims is getting close. When Elon had his little rant a couple of years ago it got triggered as well.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Managers being overpaid and overvalued is a well known phenomenon, yes.

It’s as old as the issue of narrowly-focused ICs having no appreciation for or interest in anything outside their narrow (but deep) expertise.

> This was strange. I asked a lot of Indian people about it and they said that it has to do with "saving face". Saying "I don't know" is a disgraceful thing.

I've recently learned that this particular type of "saving face" has a name: "izzat". Look that up if you want to know more.


A lot of the stuff written on "izzat" is questionable or wrong, but it is true that India has a collective concept of saving face. This can be an adjustment even if you're used to the East Asian concept of saving face.

Oh I wonder how dating works.

... normally? they don't have the same "30% of adults will never marry because of arbitrary bullshit" that modern/western countries have.

First I've heard of izzat...

I'm not sure how to write that better, but the way you worded that made me suspect it was NSFW and I hesitated, but eventually decided I'd risk it. At least everything I found was work safe, and I learned a lot. I encourage everyone else who hasn't heard the word to look it up.


Agreed. If we want democracy to prosper, we clearly need to start punishing people who vote incorrectly.

So you disagree but you didn't offer up a counter argument or ask me any questions.

Why do you think I'm wrong?


I don't think OP was implying punishing voters.

What is "going after [...] the people who vote" supposed to mean?

Boycotts of businesses, cutting off family and friends, etc

I said "we" as in the people not the government


> Boycotts of businesses, cutting off family and friends, etc

You'd think that, after the last decade, people would've learned that demonizing and ostracizing your political opposition is not a great way to get them to join your side.


That's exactly what the Republican party did and they now control all three parts of the US government.

Now I'm actually curious to see statistics regarding the usage of em-dashes on HN before and after AI took over. The data is public, right? I'd do it myself, but unfortunately I'm lazy.

Someone did just that!

Show HN: Hacker News em dash user leaderboard pre-ChatGPT - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45071722 - Aug 2025 (266 comments)

... which I'm proud to say originated here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45046883.


Ha ha, my first use of an em-dash on HN was 2016 which was the year I started my account.

I'm safe. It must be one of you that are the LLM!

(Hey, I'm #21 on the leaderboard!).


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