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Hiding losses? From whom? He's the majority shareholder of both businesses. The combined company will go public and report on things like revenue, burn rate, etc. It's not financial engineering. It's a purchase.

Just say "rocket man bad" and save some keystrokes.


Maybe he likes the xAI minority investors more than the SpaceX investors? Or he needs their support for something else.

I agree we'll have to keep digging (or reading other comments, at least) to find a better explanation.


> Just say "rocket man bad" and save some keystrokes.

Hey Jeff, on what day is the wildest party on your island?


How can you have a conflict of interest if they're entirely separate fields? They have different interests, so where's the conflict?

You don't need synergies to justify a merger. They're often used as justification as in paying well above market price. But it has nothing to do with actual justification. You can just have a holding company of businesses


The conflict of interests here is the conflict between musks interests and the other shareholders interests

What's funny? Do you think the investors are against this? The investor's aren't idiots. I imagine the typical investor in Elon Musk's companies would approve of this sort of thing. So what's the problem? Besides, its a private company with Musk as majority shareholder in both. That's the beauty of private companies, you can just do things.

I wish more companies were private and ambitious. I'm tired of companies like Apple making marginal spec bumps to their phones and milking the same products for decades


> What's funny? Do you think the investors are against this? The investor's aren't idiots.

Any proof of that?


More than 70% of voting shares supported the package, very close to the level of support in the original 2018 vote. This excludes Musks share.

And consider that this is retroactive, meaning it's backpay. They're literally voting to give the guy $50b for work performed. He has a lot of confidence from his investors. And if there were issues, there would be lawsuits. Ironically the only lawsuits that get brought up, like the one about the pay package, are basically trolls, from a guy that had 9 shares.

Besides the parent is the one making a claim that something not above board is going on so burden of proof is on him.

Finally, it's a private company where Musk is the majority shareholder. He's moving money from one pocket into another, and any moves will be reflected in his attempt to raise money with the IPO coming this year.

Why do people online pretend not to understand?


Nothing in your argument is proof that the investors aren't idiots.

I can't imagine the world view you would have to hold to think that people who manage to command tens of billions of dollars to invest are idiots, just tripped over the money and just go off vibes.

Apple just launched their own silicon chips just a few years ago. They're very ambitious but still calculated.

> > I'm tired of companies like Apple making marginal spec bumps to their phones and milking the same products for decades

At least what Apple does is real not make believe like everything Musk claims , disappear boring Apple or even boring Microsoft, Oracle, IBM etc.

And the world would come to a screeching halt, disappear all of Musk companies and people would barely notice.

You seem to be eager to be sold dreams , that's exactly what vaporware salesmen like Musk hope to find on their path


The investors want to cash out, Musk needs lots of money to plow into his latest toy that so far only excels in ridiculing him and sexual harassment/CSAM, so they make a deal to take in xAI and go public. Win win.

> The investor's aren't idiots

citation needed.


Who is behind this over digitization of primary school? My understanding is that in the Us pretty much all homework and tests are done on computers or iPads.

This obv isn’t a push by parents because I can’t imagine parents I know want their kids in front of a screen all day. At best they’re indifferent. My only guess is the teachers unions that don’t want teachers grading and creating lesson plans and all the other work they used to do.

And since this trend kid scores or performance has not gotten better, so what gives?

Can anyone comment if it’s as bad as this and what’s behind it.


My kids are in elementary school in the SF area (although pretty far in the ‘burbs) and this is not my experience.

The older one has a chromebook and uses it for research and production of larger written projects and presents—the kind of things you’d expect. The younger one doesn’t have any school-supplied device yet.

Both kids have math exercises, language worksheets, short writing exercises, etc., all done on paper. This is the majority of homework.

I’m fine with this system. I wish they’d spend a little more time teaching computer basics (I did a lot of touch typing exercises in the 90’s; my older one doesn’t seem to have those kind of lessons). But in general, there’s not too much homework, there’s good emphasis on reading, and I appreciate that the older one is learning how to plan, research, and create projects using the tool he’ll use to do so in future schooling.


A few decades ago:

* People needed to be taught digital skills that were in growing demand in the workplace.

* The kids researching things online and word-processing their homework were doing well in class (because only upper-middle-class types could afford home PCs)

* Some trials of digital learning produced good results. Teaching by the world's greatest teachers, exactly the pace every student needs, with continuous feedback and infinite patience.

* Blocking distractions? How hard can that be?


Reading with AI summaries jumping into your eyes is like writing in a word processor that completes sentences and paragraphs for you.

Writing with a word processor that just helps you type, format, and check spelling is great. Blocking distractions on a general-purpose computer (like a phone or a tablet) is as hard as handing locked-down devices set up for the purpose, and banning personal devices.


I don't understand this perspective. Programmers often scoff at most other examples of intellectual property, some throwing it out all together. I remember reading Google vs Oracle where Oracle sued Google for stealing code to perform a range check, about about 9 lines long, used to check array index bounds.

I guess the difference is AI companies bad? This is transformative technology creating trillions in value and democratizing information, all subsidized by VC money. Why would anyone in open source who claims to have noble causes be against this? Because their repo will no longer get stars? Because no one will read their asinine stack overflow answer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_....


Hot take: The Supreme Court should have sided with Oracle. APIs are a clear example of unique expression, and there is no statute exempting them specifically from copyright protection. If they are not protected by copyright, is anything really? What meaning has copyright law then?

Why is copyright law more important than anything else? AI is likely to drive the next stage of humanity's intellectual evolution, while copyright is a leaky legal abstraction that we pulled out of our asses a couple hundred years ago.

One of these is much more important than the other. If the copyright cartels insist on fighting AI, then they must lose decisively.


Hot take: Intellectual property law is stifling innovation and humanity would be better served scrapping it.

Worshiping Woz is cool, but like the article says, there's only one Woz. And chances are you're nothing like Woz or Jobs. But Ballmer? That's someone I can look to emulate.

https://medium.com/packt-hub/how-to-be-like-steve-ballmer-cf...


There were/are countless engineers which are very like Woz. Just that engineers are worse positioned to reap the rewards of commercial success so you rarely hear of them.

People who worship Jobs helped make sure of that

I think you're overthinking it. I think overwhelming majority of people don't want that crap over their streets. It would be an easy 80+% issue for a politician to pick up so most places have laws that say don't have that ugly crap everywhere. Hence you see the value of neighborhoods with a lot of graffiti and considerably lower than those that don't

Is graffiti causing those neighborhood's value to drop or are businesses and individuals residing in cheaper neighborhoods less equipped to cover the ongoing maintenance costs of removing the ever-recurring graffiti?

I think that's not as beneficial as having proper type errors and feeding that into itself as it writes

Expressive linting seems more useful for that than lax typing without null safety.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't water for cooling a closed loop? The water is used to cool, presumably it becomes water vapor and is re-condensed when cooled and used again.

Either way, prices should determine what an effective use of resources should be. It signals the scarcity, allows it to flow to the most productive resources, encourages new production and sources, and provides revenue.


> prices should determine what an effective use of resources should be

I have $1,000,000,000 and an insatiable appetite for both material and domination. My 9 neighbors, stupid naive fucks that they are, only have $100,000 in total and do not have imaginations sufficient to even begin to want all materials and power in the world.

So of course, when the sole owner of water comes along and offers to sell it, I buy it all for $100,001. I can really never have enough water, especially as I need to power wash my driveway everyday. (I absolutely cannot stand the sight of grime.)

Anyways I guess my point is, I’m glad we all understand that price determines efficiency. Once my 9 neighbors die of dehydration, I’ll be able to gather more materials and power with less obstruction and competition. Hooray!


Guess what people usually use to cool water vapor...

It does make sense that datacenters would be cooled just like your water-cooled PC but that's probably not very sustainable given the fact that they don't do so.


Ownership matters and some owners may have preferred uses independent of market price.

I might not want to sell the spare room in my house to creepy stranger, and I shouldn't have to outbid them if I already own it.

Who owns the water?


why bother with using a radiator to cool the water back down when it's cheaper to dump it/evaporate it when it's hot.

>Either way, prices should determine what an effective use of resources should be.

And with the AI frenzy, generating slop is considered way more important than people having access to water.


I don't think it's about colors per-se. Sure if everything was 100% customizable and nothing else was different, whatever. But they're obviously focusing on these features and pretending they're innovating when they're just slapping some new paint on it and a slight camera bump spec and expecting you to fork over $1,500 every two years.

I still need to understand what kind of innovation the current MacBook Pro needs. It’s arguably the best laptop on the market and I wouldn’t change a thing (except maybe improved camera and added FaceID, but that would increase cost).

They dominate the market from low cost Air to top of the line MBP 16.


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