i have a 4 year old daughter in ontario who has never seen her friends faces or her teacher's face. she eats outside even when it's -20. as of today, no end in sight for these rules. why? it's shameful. im surprised the civil unrest in canada isnt worse.
My children in Ontario public schools eat inside -- always have. Strangely, when they eat, they even take off their masks and see the faces of their classmates. Even more strange, they see their classmates faces even with masks on, just a smaller portion of their faces.
Today is quite cold, so they're not having outdoor recess at all. They're staying inside. Eating inside. Maybe your school district has different policies?
May I highlight this is your _very_ first comment on this website. Why did you suddenly decide to make an account and post your first comment here? Do you work in technology?
Because some people don't feel safe in the software industry to make comments under a username tied to their public identity when it comes to Covid (or other polarizing stuff).
I've been on this website for about a decade, but this account I use now is only 10 months old.
The only article I could find about "kids eating outside in the cold" is this one, which clarifies that "no, we won't be sending kids outside in the cold"[1]. If you can find one, let me know. I am a parent in Ontario and I've not heard a single anecdote about this from anyone.
Regarding "as of today, there is no end in sight for these rules": there has been a plan in place for months outlining the key dates when mandates will be relaxed. Just hours before OPs comment, the Ontario government announced they will be accelerating that schedule by 4 days, and the vaccine passport will be retired in just 2 weeks.[2]
Your comments re: new accounts are fair, but given the above I don't believe there is any truth to OPs comment, so I personally believe the account is intentionally created to spread FUD about the pandemic response in Canada and to create sympathy towards the convoy and its arguments.
My comment or question was more rhetorical. There is a nigh-zero chance that the comment-OP responds to any of my questions or posts any more comments. I leave it to the reader to extrapolate why that is the case.
The powers-to-be, civil and military, had great "business" going because of the quarantine by pillaging most of the funds the government provided for the city supplies (as the normal trade and supply was broken by the quarantine) while population was starving. The military doctors responsible for the quarantine received pay several folds higher than their usual pay. To maintain the supposed epidemic, ie. to generate sufficient number of deaths which were all chalked to plague even though in reality there weren't any plague cases, they for example forced people to sit in the sea in winter supposedly for public hygiene purposes, and naturally the malnourished population was getting ill and died in numbers. Anybody who showed any signs of any illness would be put into total quarantine into a hospital building with especially bad conditions which all but guaranteed the death.
Yeah, I have 5 nieces and nephews and friends with kids that live and around Hamilton. Tell me what they're going through that's insane.
Don't just drop comments like this without backing up your assertions, because it's false. Is it ideal for the kids right now? Fuck no. None of us want this. But to sell the narrative that there's a whole class of parents/teachers/administrators who are not trying their goddamned hardest to make this as easy on kids as possible, while stradling the line of what's responsible during a pandemic, is just belittling all of the effort being done for no discernable purpose at all.
My oldest kid been going to in-class school since September 2020 [1]. Maskless since October 2021. She missed, in a year and a half, a total of two or three weeks of school. This is a blessing that my kid has received.
NB for people outside Ontario: this is very likely a made-up untrue story. If parent commenter provides some details substantiating this unusual circumstance, I apologize in advance.
What school district? This is nothing like what I've seen in the Toronto schools which tend to be more cautious due to population density here.
I'm willing to believe this isn't a made up story, but am interested in details as this is very different from what I've heard or seen in Ontario.
Also why can't your child see their friend's faces outside of school? This is all quite confusing.
Unless there's some crazy school board out there, there's no way they have kids eating outside when it's -20. Most school boards won't even have outdoor recess on days like that.
I have 11 nieces and nephews in 5 different school boards in Ontario, and not one of them has these restrictions. They eat indoors, they can take their masks off at lunch, and during gym class. Their teachers regularly post videos for students to watch, with their masks off, so that they can have that level of interaction with their students.
We still do play dates with kids too. And birthday parties, where we can opt to go maskless if everyone is tested and comfortable with it.
Comments like this will get you banned here, no matter how right you are or feel you are, or how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you'd please review the site guidelines and stick to the rules when posting to HN, we'd appreciate it. Your comment would be completely fine—and considerably more persuasive—without those beginning and end bits.
Thank you. Schoolboard don't risk lawsuit from freezing children. Parent post is pure misinformation from brand new account with, quite honestly, the most eyerolling 'Canadian' name someone thought of.
I don't live in Ontario and don't have kids, so I don't have any personal experience. This section of Joël Lightbound speech stood out to me though. It is regarding the apparent quarantine measures in Quebec. I can't substantiate it, so maybe it is completely sensationalized.
>In Quebec in January 22, we've locked up kids aged 6 to 10 years old for up to ten days in windowless rooms. Kids who tested negative, who had no symptoms, who came in contact though, with someone who had the virus.
It's a one of, a seriously screwed up one, but it's not the normal quarantine procedure. I have a lot of respect for Lightbound but his speech was a lot of measure dropping with no context and no alternative proposed. I do respect that we need to be united more though.
No, this isn't the normal procedure. Kids aged under 12 only have to quarantine for 5 days unless they test positive and have no symptoms, this is to happen at home, not at school, and only if it was a very close contact.
It may have been an emergency where parents for some reason refuse to stay home with their kids and no alternative had been set up yet; but it absolutely is not the protocol.
I don't live in Quebec or have any knowledge of what is happening in that province, but this either sounds like there are mitigating situations that we're not aware of for this reaction, or an overreach by some board/school.
In Ontario, we were asked to isolate at home if there was any close contact with COVID at school and use remote learning if it was available for your class.
