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Care to explain how its not? Let me preface this by saying that I have not seen the video, but even if they said that only the flying spaghetti monster can save you from ARDS, I'd rather live in a world with free exchange of information (even misinformation).


Why do you believe the right of bad-faith actors to load disinformation into the minds of the gullible is more important than the right of uninvolved third parties to live?

It's one thing to spread disinformation that leads people to harm themselves (for example, by encouraging them to drink laundry detergent or bleach). It's quite another to spread disinformation that harms third parties. Third parties have no say in what disinformation the gullible choose to consume but they will be subject to the consequences of the gullible believing what they've been told.

Every polity that has something resembling a right to freedom of speech imposes limits on that speech when it can harm others. Libel, slander, and incitement are not generally tolerated. Restricting the spread of disinformation that increases the impact of a deadly pandemic is no different.

I do agree, however, that the final arbiter of what speech is acceptable should not rest with Youtube or any other private entity. This is a question for elected governments and the judiciary.


What if disinformation leads to the gullible placing "bad-faith actors" in our elected governments and judiciary? Just imagine!

We must hedge our bets and let disinformation be cut down wherever rational minds exist (for now).


And you don't think Libel and slander laws are sufficient? If someone says something obviously untruthful we already have the legal framework to deal with it.

This is just a private company taking control of information. Who is to say that they arent the ones spreading misinformation themselves?


OAN is free to spread their nonsense on their website.


Yes and when godaddy and visa pulls their services they are free to become their own domain registrar and credit card company as well!


Yes, anyone can become their own domain registrar if need be.

As for credit card processing services, generally Visa and Mastercard are enforcing policies of the banks that actually provide the credit; they simply take the heat because they're paid to. But on that note, both the CEOs of Visa and Mastercard are...Republican donors...almost exclusively...and so would, if anything, favor right-leaning websites such as OAN.


> As for credit card processing services, generally Visa and Mastercard are enforcing policies of the banks that actually provide the credit;

Generally! I know at least one American comedian who is banned by both for taking jabs at you know who...

And no you just dont become a domain registrar like that. You need to be quite privileged to do that.


I don't actually know who you're referring to, either on the comedian side or the "you know who" side) but if you're referring to Kathy Griffith she is gainfully employed in Hollywood again and was never banned by Visa or Mastercard. She simply lost a bunch of gigs because people didn't want to be associated with someone who thought it was funny to joke about beheading the president (regardless of whether they agreed with her sentiments).

And becoming a domain registrar requires a demonstration of technical capabilities, but otherwise does not require any privileges. Literally anyone can apply to become a domain registrar if they can demonstrate that they actually know how to do it.


Also could you care to explain? I elaborated my viewpoint. Kind of lukewarm of you to avoid that.


OAN spread falsehoods, not information. If they choose to spread falsehoods, they're free to do so on their own website, but they don't have free reign to do so on someone else's website.

(If they want to prove that their claims are correct in the fact of everyone else saying they are wrong, the burden is on them to prove their claims, which they didn't even bother to do. They just claimed that something is a cure for COVID without evidence, and provided an affiliate link to a website where you could buy the supposed cure. That's not reporting, that's advertising.)


CNN spreads falsehoods and a lot more than OANN.


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We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop. You can't post like this, regardless of how right you are on the issues, or feel you are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


So what was the fake news? The ISBN for "Covid-19: The great reset"?


I really don't understand why all media outlets shill this story like it wasn't just a few riveted plates of sheet steel. A dozen people could carry the materials to build that thing by hand.


https://www.cnet.com/news/mysterious-utah-monolith-puzzle-ha...

Solved! Undismantled remnant from Westworld set.


Nonstick pans are a crazy invention. Heat it up too much and toxic vapors are emitted, vapors strong enough that its not uncommon for parakeets and other small birds to die in such a presence.


Yup. 100% safe, as long as one never ever heats up teflon beyond a certain point. FDA validated testing, therefore, shows it as safe!

Yet who one Earth has never, even for a few seconds, had something happen while cooking. A distraction. A mistake with the heat. An accident requiring attention, a small child taking attention away.

One mistake, one moment of error, and now the teflon is toxic.

Meanwhile, there are endless warning labels all over packages for absolutely absurd things. Such a bizarre world.

What gets me, is that there are all sorts of replacement non-stick coatings. All brand new, all "Oh yes that's perfectly safe!", people happily buying those.

Iron or stainless steel for me, thank you.


It's incredibly hard to figure out all the new nonstick coatings.

Companies don't want to list negative stuff on the label because people look, then don't buy.

I found out the I had a lot of trouble with Sodium Lauryl Sulfate - my sheets would irritate me after I washed them, and it was a relief to find a detergent without it. (also goes for shampoo, toothpaste and lots more)

But the lengths companies go to when hiding it on the ingredients list. They name it something else.

See "other names" on this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_dodecyl_sulfate

I think hiding the type of non-stick coating on a frying pan or a toaster has a lot in common with obscuring SLS.


Re: SLS. Hadn't heard of it, but clothing detergents can irritate my skin. Obviously, it may be SLS.

I'm rural, and so have my own well. One side effect is that depending on rainfall, and other factors, the hardness of my water changes.

Quite literally, I sometimes need to use 3x the detergent. Further, it is not entirely clear when to use 3x the detergent. I don't have time to do one of these every wash (other kits aren't suitable for my water):

https://ca.hach.com/total-hardness-test-kit-model-5-b/produc...

Anyhey, so I always just add vinegar after the wash, and do a second rinse. As this fixed most of my issues, I used to get rashes, and now I do not, it may be that vinegar is additionally effective at removing SLS.

Just a FYI, although I have zero idea if valid. Just that "irritation goes away" for me.

Edit for clarity:

I tend to add a full cup of vinegar, and sometimes more. The vinegar tends to rinse out very well.


That's really interesting.

I read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water

"With hard water, soap solutions form a white precipitate (soap scum) instead of producing lather, because the 2+ ions destroy the surfactant properties of the soap by forming a solid precipitate (the soap scum)."

I wonder if the vinegar helps clear this out.

SLS is a surfactant. I don't know how it all works together.


There are loads of additionals added to soap, likely SLS helps too, to combat hardness in water. Most water has some hardness, but mine varies between 20 and 60 grains of hardness, which is quite high.

As you cannot tell the perfect amount of soap to add, unless you know the precise hardness at that moment, water like mine which is variable means a simple thing.

I am simply forced to add 3x the soap of the 'low range' of my water hardness, thus ensuring the clothes are effected by the soap.

Yet with amounts like that, all the soap has a difficult time washing out. Vinegar really helps, as an acid, to nullify the soap and wash it out.

So my target is not SLS in specific, just 'soap is a base, so acid should help get rid of it', which seems to work.

Some organisms cannot handle acid as well, so it may help in other respects.


They are not improving security, just making it more difficult to scrape google, who ironically is 100% based around scraping and living off other peoples content and creations in general.


"less secure" more like you are not allowed to scrape the almighty scraper. What pathetic double standards.


Funny, today I woke up and first thing install ABP for the first time in my life, because google will not let me fall asleep to soothing documentaries without obnoxious ads rolling every two minutes because their algos figured out im not there to skip them.

Then I see this and im just even more confident in that decision.



I've been using YouTube Vanced on my Android. I tried NewPipe, but was not impressed with it. Then I went to Vanced not because of the ads, but the looping functionality (which is disabled now for some time) and it's been a great experience so far.


Have you considered trying uBlock Origin?


I second this recommendation. uBO is much better.


In my view uBlock Origin is the gold standard in ad blockers.


I didnt consider anything, I just searched for ad blocker first thing this morning and took what seemed like the popular choice. I'll try uBlock now, what is the difference in regards to user experience?


Ublock origin is nice that it prevents you from page redirects to known tracking websites. I first found out about that with slickdeals.

The one thing I still haven't figured out how to use with it is the zapper. Adblock plus' "zapper" just worked and always prevented that pop up or whatever from showing. Ublock just stops it from showing again after you do it after the page load. Then it'll pop up again.


uBlock's zapper is just for deleting elements once. If you want to remove something permanently, use the picker.


Thank you! Imo they should really change the icons for that cause when I see that, it looks like I want to take the color of the thing, not remove something completely.


have you considered paying for YT premium? Its great for watching with no ads. I started paying once I discovered Event Horizon, What The Math? and Space Time Channels. I then discovered Mixtape Magic for old school mixtapes to listen to while working. All in all, one of the subscriptions that bring the most value.


The whole notion that you must use AMP to serve static text faster is hysterical.


Its your choice to use others "crapware". The price it comes with is all the abuse "noobs" have to take for offering their solutions for free. You don't like HTML frontends, thats sweet, then make your own alternative with Qt or winforms.

There is NO "mandatory" electron apps... But there is some great software made with electron that has become very popular.

I am confident if something has been made with electron, there is native alternatives out there. Don't like slack? Then use IRC.

Don't like my joystick to keyboard/mouse remapper with an electron frontend? Then don't, use one of the many alternatives (Too bad if they don't provide what you are looking for and no one of them seems to be able to modulate output in order to emulate analog controls. But at least it was written by a pro!)


I mentioned in my last sentence that as long as it is not mandatory, it is OK, but there are cases where it is mandatory, e.g. at the workplace.

I do not use Slack. I use self-hosted Mattermost as a replacement of Slack, I use IRC, and I use Element (formerly known as Riot.im).


Well, you will never get around being forced to use something in your workplace. I would never use Cisco VPNs but I had to install their shitty client in every workplace I ever been on.


> I am confident if something has been made with electron, there is native alternatives out there. Don't like slack? Then use IRC.

That only works if you can control what others use (maybe not in the case of Slack, but that's the exception as messengers go).


Slack is a messy one page app developed by PHP programmers and vscode is open source and actually made by competent people.


Slack is really weird. It seems like they would have the resources to do native applications. I can't fault anyone for doing an Electron app as a demo, prototype, MVP, that's seems completely reasonable.

What I don't get is why they don't want to make a native macOS client, or Windows client. For Linux I get that they don't necessarily know if it should be GTK, QT, should they adopt KDE standards or Gnome, something else maybe? I can see why they would like Electron in that case.

For something like the Mac... They could do a fantastic client, it would use very little memory, play nice with the OS and be fast. Their users would notice and love it.


They have to build and maintain the web version regardless. Why also write individual clients for Windows, Mac and Linux when they can simply wrap the website in a thin desktop wrapper and call it a day?


Because they care about the user experience and delivering the best possible product to their customers? Maybe not.


Based on their success, that's exactly what they are already doing, presumably thanks to the choices they are making.


Maybe it's easy to sell the "One codebase on all platform" idea to the managers and hard to justify the need for high quality app? People are using it anyway.


Especially considering they already have a good iOS Client with their iPad app!


People could perhaps already use that on the M1 Macs and have a better experience.


And I suppose Facebook is therefore also developed by incompetent PHP programmers despite being one of the largest technology companies in the world?


Yes. I am not even joking. Facebook was so terrible that they had to literally reinvent their wheels (hiphop). Its not hard to become a large company when you have black budget backing as confirmed by Snowden.


Your own sentence argues against itself: the team that built HHVM certainly are not "terrible PHP developers"...


You don't think its strange that facebook hired PHP programmers to create the product and then have to hire competent people to fix that shit as far removed from company logic as possible?

Doesn't it kinda make you think, just a little?


I hope you are joking. Those people you call incompetent built arguably the best web application in the world propelling itself into a global corporate juggernaut and that qualifies as built by incompetent people?

The hubris is frightening.


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