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Definitely some interesting and fun properties. Pretty hard to consider them, in totality, anything close to 10x-ing from the herd.

Software is art. Maybe someone out there somehow gets 10xd from these traits, but highly unlikely


The 10x argument for lisp was more compelling when everyone was using C and Fortran instead of JS and python. The contrasts here do seem pretty small.

The real productivity benefit for me is that the ecosystem is so stable and well documented. You can learn it all and keep it in your head.


Guile is an embedded scripting and configuration language. Its competition is Lua. Which is unfortunate for Guile, because it's even less attractive there.

What are the pros and cons of Guile wrt Lua?

The only pro I can think of is you get a standard scheme set of batteries, which isn't even really a pro in this space. The biggest con is implementation size and complexity. IIRC the JITter alone is twice the size of LuaJIT's entire codebase, and not for being vastly better.

License problems too, if you're not making copyleft software. Guile is GPL, both Luas are MIT.


Tell us more about the web ad based trojan!

I am also really curious how GP was able to pinpoint the event. Or was it more, "Well this is the one weird thing I did on my machine this week."

Perhaps, given the target audience and the state of the world, “it goes without saying” applies, or is wrapped up implicitly already thru the mentioned checks and balances (human firmly in the loop, etc etc)


> purposely built input stage

You moved your device to the purposely built input stage.

Not an expert, but your remark doesn’t compute with the parent comment


Community plus problem solving in low stakes fun setting.


Cool! Have you seen https://camlworks.github.io/dream/

I get OCaml isnt for everybody, but dream is the web framework i wish i knew first


Fun stuff! I can see also using ICU MFv{1,2} for this, sprinkling in randomization in the skeletons


Submitted. We’re still here!



There are some pretty zany alternative realities in the Multiverses I’ve visited. Xerox Parc never went under and developed computing as a much more accessible commodity. Another, Bell labs invented a whole category of analog computers that’s supplanted our universe’s digital computing era. There’s one where IBM goes directly to super computers in the 80s. While undoubtedly Microsoft did deliver for many of us, I am a hesitant to say that that was the only path. Hell, Steve Jobs existed in the background for a long while there!


I wish things had gone differently too, but a couple of nitpicks:

1.) It's already a miracle Xerox PARC escaped their parent company's management for as long as they did.

3.) IBM was playing catch-up on the supercomputer front since the CDC 6400 in 1964. Arguably, they did finally catch up in the mid-late 80's with the 3090.


AT&T sold Unix machines (actually a rebadged Olivetti for the hardware) and Microsoft has Xenix when windows wasn't a thing.

So many weird paths we could have gone down it's almost strange Microsoft won.


Yeah, I'm absolutely not saying it was the only path. It's just the path that happened. If not MS maybe it would have been Unix and something else. Either way most everyone today uses UX based on Xerox Parc's which was generously borrowed by, at this point, pretty much everyone.


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