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Terraforming the area, so to speak, caused it to be how it is today.


Cadillac Desert, Marc Reisner, worth a read!

Salton sea features heavily, and you’ll learn the whole American West is on as fragile a water setup with similar health, civil and economic problems to follow as what this Salton sea example, but imagine it applying LA-wide, central Oregon-wide, Salt Lake valley-wide.

Water issues out west will be a major issue of USA’s next 70 years. Very scary stuff.


I think a lot of tech needs to go through that struggle.

From the perspective of a long career in infosec, what’s occurring now was enabled a longtime ago by broad-based industry consensus. Concerns then, which == awful stuff occurring now, were robustly dismissed by many many many devs with s/strong viewpoints/paychecks.

The only silver lining I can see is we’re taking our medicine now, but there’s a lot more to go through still, on the back of many significant tech capabilities.

For example, Flock was kept out of many cities, but Amazon was not, Flock just signed a data sharing deal with Ring. That’s a no-nonsense, nationwide, warrantless vehicular and pedestrian tracking network mechanism.

Not great, Bob! But RSUs for building it all sure was great.


Reads like they’re doing one of several way to get mobile device IDs, and then x-ref those against anon’d adtech datasets that anchor on the mobile ID.

If your device privacy is a mess, mobile ID links you to all the good and bad things you do on a phone.

Had no idea this was part of the tool options, but backbone cell network makes sense.

Other TTPs I’d read about was variations on geo-fenced adserving to phish a mobile ID basically via user interaction or scroll past the ad. Small enough geofence and do it a few times, one could safely figure out the user being the ID. Googling “RTB surveillance” or “DSP surveillance” are ways into the topic.

Scary stuff! Pair that with this tech has been working for years, and is international. Frames a bit differently every action by a public figure - also at risk via the same threat model.

Also long have wondered what data analysis like this is done on technical forums… ran by a VC firm… with a lot of insider context (product market fit?) in the comments.


That is interesting conceptual linkage!


My very loose sense on this was developed after a lot of perspective shifts via fortunately living in a lot of different spots in the US.

I think these small orgs are still around, are needed and I wish they were easier to find, but feels like finding them filters through:

- If it’s useful, it involves coastal tech people so to speak, and you can wade through many unknown gates to include “community” that’s actually sponsored marketing: often seems to be small group digital communities on Signal with shared thematic backgrounds of the members. Pair these with meeting people IRL when you can via travel and find time, it’s quite a useful network that’s all built digitally at first.

- If it’s fulfilling but low stakes, and peer-oriented: a lot of this is in infosec still via hacker culture, but overall I think you have to get outside of your economic class and bubble to find it generally, esp if you’re a tech person. In tech and similar careers, every “small group dinner” under the hood feels like 6-7 men making $550tc and trying to hit 650tc, or a group trying to attract those people. Dodgeball league for young professionals or not, career management feels very often in the background. It doesn’t feel authentic, or at least feel safe, because it likely isn’t.

Groups of people still do go fishing together, hiking together, cities sponsor makerspaces, community centers offer wood working classes, small group s get together to dicusss ideas, people have standing brunches… but it’s really hard to find this stuff in authentic contexts if first you’re not looking for it over some time, second you can’t suffer through being into the things you’re into alone, until you find someone doing the same, and third *if you city or area doesn’t have a moat to keep out, or at bay, modern, massively networked economies and what I think it tends to incentivize - the small org is in the cheap but functional community center, that is sponsored by a city that cares about it, that is advertised via the community radio station, that is in a city not under water by angry people at the exploding CoL…

I found 1 city out of 6-7 that still offers the latter input, and it to me feels is the lynchpin.


Still going, and we can call the guy keeping it going by his public records name - Fred Eshelman, pharma wealthy North Carolinian owns the notoriously checkerboarded Elk Mountain in Wy, which if you ever drive I80 past Laramie Wy it’s the big mountain on the south side going west.

owns 6000 acres of checkerboard land that’s effectively 20,000 acres with a notorious ranch manager.

Lost his case in Fed courts in Wyoming and on appeal, trying to do Supreme Court now.

Wyofile has consistently good coverage on this.


Sometimes the checkerboarding is the result of indian reservation agreements. For example, Palm Springs is technically like this.


Well, often in the west the big square in an undesirable desert is the reservation, and the checkerboard is the 1800’s railroad.


Not always. See Tulsa OK.


Well the detesting trawling angle is valid but similar to how you could detect coal mining in West Virginia the mountains/sea bottom is gone either way.

I believe the single most important policy change for fishiers would be to end trawling, second being sort out international regs.

Both very hard, both bad news for kings. But at some point people are going to see the outcomes in their grocery stores and maybe that’ll start change.


Yeah there’s definitely regulatory changes that need to be made, it is insane to see that some practices are still legal. I just disagree with the notion that all fishing is harmful


Yes, the river system of about 10 others that the US successfully dammed up in the hot passion of 1950’s engineering culture run wild and successfully more or less ended the salmon runs south of British Columbia?

Yes, definitely the fishing patterns from tribes, not the 10-15 concrete dams.


Both things can be true


Rich comment, but a an old one.

Global warming is playing out in AK in a way only as observable down south with perhaps the dwindling skiing and the colo river. Wrapping that all up into how you phrased it is pretty darn close to the ol “greedy undisciplined Native” trope.

But sure, blame the tribes, and make sure it’s done extra strongly on the next sport fishing trip in Ak that can’t offer Kings as you’ll be seen as very aware of the issues by your guide.


What if it's rich, because it's true.

I've lived next to two different reservations in WA state and I can confirm the fantastic equipment.

Also, on a random tour of the Leavenworth fish hatchery, we stumbled upon a fishery-management-sanctioned culling of "excess" fish at the Leavenworth fish hatchery into large blue food grade containers as part of tribes "share".

The whole story of where the fish are going is useful, even if it contradicts your preconceptions.


Have lived next to 2-3x reservations myself.

If the worst thing you can say to prove a point is “they have fantastic equipment,” well arguably they could be owed some good equipment in exchange for the total culture, socioeconomic collapse. And fantastic equipment tends to produce less waste.

That’s also ignoring we’re talking salmon run numbers and you’re talking excess at the hatchery. There’s no issues at the hatchery, they can sudo user their way into more fish at that stage. What’s at obvious issue is what happens to the fish when they’re out there and growing and then coming back to spawn.

Also interesting how you can laser in on the natives and ignore… all of the dams in WA, Or, Cali and their documented 50 yr+ impact on west coast salmon.

Like I said, have lived next to rezs myself. The coded language from WA, Idaho, MT, WY non-natives tends to be anything but coded.


>arguably they could be owed some good equipment

No

>The coded language

There isn't any coded language here. PNW Indian tribes should not be given extraordinary fishing rights.


dont thinks hes blaming them, hes just pointing it out


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