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> if something doesn't work for me I can't really draw any conclusions about it in general.

You can. The conclusion would be that it doesn’t always work.


That’s skipping over more than 100 years of recent history. Iran started transitioning to a democratic form of government with establishment of parliament after constitutional revolution starting from 1905. Twice, foreign super powers meddled and help derail it.

I wonder how affordable or accessible is it in US to follow this effectively.

I know it’s important to have an informative guideline, but isn’t it strangely reminiscent of “just say no”?


Now that you’re here, what do you mean by “scientific hints” in your first paragraph?


> Mossadegh was elected but was also illegally trying to dissolve parliament.

You’re being too liberal with meaning of “illegal” here.

There was a referendum to dissolve the Parliament then.


A referendum held outside of the legal process after he probably lost the previous election.


And what did people vote for in that “outside of legal process” referendum?

edit: typo


Well the vote was a sham with no secret ballots and separate voting tents for yes and no votes. Armed members of Tudeh were at almost every poling station, there were wide spread reports of members of Mossadegh's party voting multiple times, and the vote count came out to 99.99% "yes'. On top of being illegal it was obviously fraudulent. It is at times called a coup by Mossadegh.


Are the any credible independent sources for these? Just curious.


Here's a contemporary report from the NYT[1]:

>The ballot was not a secret one. Separate polling places were provided for those voters favoring dissolution and those against, and the vote had to give his name, his address and the number and place of issuance of his identity card.

Time Magazine from the same month in 1953 [2]:

> Da’s in 1946. Last week Premier Mohammed Mossadegh, the man in the iron cot, topped them all with 99.93%.

> This is the way he did it. Having unconstitutionally dissolved the Majlis, Mossadegh ordered a national referendum to judge his act, crying: “The will of the people is above law.” The 1906 Iranian constitution (which Mossadegh as a young revolutionary helped put across) requires a secret ballot.

From a 1953 article in The Middle East Journal [3]:

>Two days after the bloody confrontation of Tudeh mobs and security forces on August 11, 1953, Mosaddeq’s government arrested a large number of its opponents again.

So here we see Tudeh thugs attacking his opponents, and the man himself jailing the opposition.

> Two of Mosaddeq’s closest associates, Dr.Karim Sanjabi, a founder of the National Front and Minister of Education and Dr. Ghol-am-Hossein Sadiqi, the Minister of the Interior advised against dissolving the Majlis and holding a referendum. Both argued that the Majlis had supported Mosaddeq and that it had been the King who had appointed Prime Ministers since the Constitutional Revolution of 1906 subject to parliamentary approval. Without the Majlis, the Shah would be free to oust the Prime Minister and appoint another. Mosaddeq’s reply to both had been the same: Shah jor’at-e in kar ra nadarad [The Shah would not dare].

We also see that Mossadegh's own advisors were cautioning him against trying to dissolve the Majlis, and reminding him that it would allow the Shah to constitutionally remove him. We clearly see a picture of a man, Mossadegh trying to become a dictator.

It would be too much to unpack here but the role of Ayatollah Kashani is also relevant in the story.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/1953/08/04/archives/mossadegh-gets-9...

[2] https://time.com/archive/6795622/iran-99-93-pure/

[3] https://www.pismin.com/10.3751/62.3.15


Did you just referenced an article by Kenneth Love? I’m sure you already know but for anyone else who might see this, a U.S. District Judge Michael B. Mukasey in Love v. Kwitny (1989) suggests that he played a role in the coup himself! Love even admits it later! [1]

The link from TIME is an op-ed? Who’s the writer? That’s not a source, credible or otherwise.

- https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/7...


> There's always some previous war.

As in everywhere else.


Not to refute your point but I’ve met overly confident people with “AI skills” who are “extremely productive” with it, while producing garbage without knowing, or not being able to tell the difference.


You're describing lack of care and lack of professionalism, fire these people, nothing to do with the tools, it's the person using it the problem.


We're trying very earnestly to create a world where being careful and professional is a liability. "Move fast and break things, don't ask permission, don't apologize for anything" is the dominant business model. Having care and practicing professionalism takes times and patience, which just translate to missed opportunities to make money.

Meanwhile, if you grift hard enough, you can become CEO of a trillion dollar company or President of the United States. Young people are being raised today seeing that you can raise billions on the promise building self driving cars in 3 years, not deliver even after 10 years, and nothing bad actually happens. Your business doesn't crater, you don't get sued into oblivion, your reputation doesn't really change. In fact, the bigger the grift, the more people are incentivized to prop it up. Care and professionalism are dead until we go back to an environment that is not so nurturing for grifts.


While I circumstantially agree, I hold it to be self-evident that the "optimal amount of grift is nonzero". I leave it to politicians to decide whether increased oversight, decentralization, or "solution X" is the right call to make.


A little grift is expected. The real problem for us is when it's grift all the way down, and all the way up, to the extent even the President is grifting. Leaving it to the politicians in that case just means enabling maximum, economy-scale grift.


Yea I’m talking about people and that’s honestly what matters here. At the end of the day this tools is used by people and how people use it plays a big role in how we assess its usefulness.


this is known as the no true scotsman fallacy


I've not really seen this outside of extremely junior engineers. On the flip side I've seen plenty of seniors who can't manage to understand how to interact with AI tools come away thinking they are useless when just watching them for a bit it's really clear the issue is the engineer.


They just shovel the garbage on someone else who has to fact check and clean it up.


you can say that about overly confident people with "xyz" skills.


Garbage to whom? Are we talking about something that the user shudders to think about, or something more like a product the user loves, but behind the scenes the worst code ever created?


A lot of important details/parts of a system (not only code) that may seem insignificant to the end user could be really important in making a a system work correctly as a whole.


> What I really want to see is Meta getting irrelevant ON MERIT.

Why? Is META relevant only on merit?


Maybe it’s not even a copy paste. Just something running in a loop, interacting with LLMs and automatically calling APIs.


The capital [in these companies] might not be as decoupled as portrayed but rather funneled from the labor which is not in their employment. This is more glaring in ad tech. For the manufacturers in the list, you have to consider the cheap labor they outsource too, among many other factors. You have to look at global/overall labor statistics vs capital. There might be a trend there but the article doesn’t expand or do any investigation.

It is surreal. It goes like: revenue growth > headcount growth in select companies, therefore capital alchemy on global scale + something something AGI.


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