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Having FCs an hour away from your customers, packing groceries into a tiny truck with one or two employees per truck, the trucks alone would never pay for themselves let alone the FCs. This was obvious from the get go and it’s why Walmart has been the only one successfully doing grocery pickup and delivery for 6 years. Every store is an FC and they’re all within 20 minutes of their customers.


There are examples of the warehouse-based model working, but they clearly require both density _and_ mindshare. Its not clear Kroger had either based on the other comments in here. FreshDirect in NYC has been operating since the early 2000s with a fleet of tiny trucks with a couple of employees in them and a giant FC with essentially zero retail footprint.

(As an aside, they also have some of the best meat and produce you can get in the city without going to a farmers market. So many retail grocery stores here lack loading docks, the food handling getting from the truck to the sidewalk to the basement of the store to the shelves is really, really rough especially during the summer months. Skipping that and going warehouse-to-home has advantages)


Notice Apple and Google did not comply. Steam DID comply. Shame on Valve contributing to the murder of gay men and women in Russia.


Apple and Google did comply. Apple for example is removing VPN apps from App Store at the request or the Russian government.


This is obviously false. Companies do not become criminal enterprises to provide services.

Either they obey the laws or they leave the country. The idea of Google or Apple operating as a black market tech company in Russia is preposterous.


Not being able to play a game is contributing to murder how exactly?


Straight people will never understand the crushing suffocating binding evil of straight supremacy. They call a gay man a coward when they and their kind are murderers of ours.


Government is just organized volunteering. You’re describing a government. You created your own mini government for your road maintenance.


If I (willingly) don't pay my taxes someone will put me in a tiny cage, violently ("tax evasion").

If I don't fix my road, I just can't go anywhere, which obviously forces me to voluntarily fix it. If I don't voluntarily fix it, I'm stuck until someone comes along with a backhoe, and given only the tiniest % of people will purposefully sabotage their ability to go buy groceries, the burden of having to fix a neighbors road is so miniscule that it fits well within tolerable natural rates of charity.

The end result is the county roads are enforced by violence (tax man will toss grandma out of her house if she doesn't pay up, and assault her if she resists), while the private roads are enforced by a mixture of voluntary action on your own property and some relatively rare charity for those who just don't give a shit if they ever leave their house.

The difference here is the government can initiate violence against me, while the people involved in the private roads cannot.


So how the tragedy of commons problem is solved?


Your premise here is absurd. Let's suppose minimizing government is taken to the extreme and literally everything is privatized. Then there wouldn't even be a commons and everything would be privately owned. In no way shape or form does increasing the commons eliminate the tragedy of the commons.


I don't think your definition of commons is the same as mine.

How would you maintain the road if I, who also uses the road, doesn't pay for maintenance?


There are a few kinds of private roads

-public access private easements (my road)

-public access non easement (grocery store parking lot, cost amortized by customers)

-toll road (some highways, etc)

-completely private road (only owner uses it, i.e. private farm road)

Only the first of those has the potential for the kind of abuse you mention, I think, because it mimics the government kind of road in some ways where the maintenance costs aren't captured at the point of use. If it gets bad enough charging $0 you might need switch to some other kind of private road.

In any case this isn't nearly as bad as the tragedy of the commons situation if it is a government road, I think, at least as implemented. Our county roads have a tragedy of the commons situation where you could use the road and then some totally unrelated grandma gets dragged out of her house for not paying for it, despite the fact she's never even been on the road -- to me that seems strictly worse "tragedy of the commons" than even the public access private easement because at least under the private easement I can't initiated violence on unrelated persons for other people using the road.

It would seem quite hypocritical (and ironic) indeed to me for proponents of public roads to damn private roads under the idea of tragedy of the commons, so I'm not sure it's a valid indictment here that the tragedy of the commons is somehow becoming even more unsolved when roads are privatized.


That's not what I was asking. The definition - at least my def - is different, your cases don't explain how to solve it - indeed, there is no known solution, and that's the point. You can't get around government, which can solve some problems.


The only "known" solution is to privatize the commons. One way to do that in this example is to use a toll road.

It seems bizarre to damn some methods of private roads for not solving something you claim has no solution, then just glance over the ones that mitigate it.

You've shown no reason why you can't "get around government" but rather just dismiss the ways that just did.


The Republican Party proposed it


Of course! Nothing says "small government" like going through every person's internet history and DVD collection to find things they personally don't like and making people a criminal because of them.


They could’ve killed multiple people with that, everyone who enabled that needs to be in prison now.


They’re using the databases to go after illegal immigrants right now. Soon it’ll be using the porn databases to go after Gay people. They’re trying to use the healthcare databases to go after Trans people. All this verification is nothing but a way to commit genocide against minorities. Porn is so far down on the list of harmful things. There’s no pearl clutching over alcohol and other drugs like Americans have with porn. Nation of pansies.


Can someone say tyrant? Or is that a thought crime for citizens too now?


Elite in the economic sense. Places like Harvard are anti-progressive and serve to gate keep opportunity and wealth.


They’ve been sucking up international students from Asia mostly to fill in the gap just like everything else. Let superior countries raise them then bring them over with the lure of big money. It’s all the US has to offer anymore is a chance for the select few to become part of the 1%, oligarchy. 300 million normal people may as well not exist here.


From what I can tell, children of foreign elites are about as serious about education as students born in the US, but they drive luxury cars, live in fancy off campus housing, and find different things to do that aren’t the assigned reading. The number of Lamborghinis in town is all out of proportion to the area’s income.


I believe the prior post is referring to first generation students that receive their primary education in foreign countries.

Like I said in another post, the environment in these primary schools in the United States is just not set up for success. Their standards are low and they allow smart phones and distracting device devices in schools. Not to mention the overt focus on athletics over academics. However, the last point is not the biggest issue as that’s been a part of primary education in high school in the US for a century at least.


Meh. Lazy stereotypes. Imported students can be just as dumb as home grown, US-educated students can be just as smart as foreign, and I think the distribution is about the same everywhere. I think other countries have their own malaise, I’m just not in a good a position to understand the causes.


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