No, he shared on Dithering that there was a back-and-forth email exchange about the execs appearing on the Talk Show as usual, but they couldn't come to an agreement on details of the event.
I’m a Kotlin dev, and Koog feels like a breath of fresh air being able to spin up agents with a typesafe, Kotlin-native DSL is really nice. The magic for me is the ability to swap between OpenAI, Anthropic, or your own Llama with zero friction. Plus, the smart history compression already looks like it’ll save a ton on tokens, and the streaming + persistent memory hooks look nice too! Can’t wait to dig in and see how it holds up in a real project!
I prefer the Kotlin route. It is also supported by a foundation of multiple companies which includes Google and Kotlin is the native language for Android. It supports more targets already for years with Kotlin Native. And recently the Compose iOS target became stable with 1.8 enabling cross platform UI development. It is easier to integrate with native components.
Dart/flutter of course predates a lot of this stuff. But the point is that Kotlin and Kotlin multiplatform are things that happened to Google that they ended up endorsing and embracing (to their credit).
When they were digging in with the Oracle lawsuit, their Android Java support fell behind a bit. And then Kotlin showed up as a drop in replacement and quickly became the default for a lot of Android development. It was so obviously nicer than Java 1.6 that many Android developers didn't bother waiting for kotlin 1.0 to be released even. Java support was eventually upgraded for Android but that took a while. Google made endorsing Kotlin official many years ago. Kotlin is now the preferred language for Android development. And while Java is still supported, using it is probably a mistake for new applications as Java API support increasingly an afterthought in both Android SDKs and the wider library ecosystem.
Google also pushed Flutter as a completely new way of doing UI and targeted it at a completely new OS (Fuchsia) that would replace Android. That never happened and Fuchsia is basically still around on life support but otherwise not going anywhere. Meanwhile, Flutter seems well liked by some but it's also a bit a weird techstack with its own language and compiler and fairly limited integration options. In short that whole techstack seems increasingly a bit of a dead end.
And crucially, Google has always pushed back on the notion of building any support for Kotlin around flutter, which was an obvious thing to start doing years ago. There are some weak arguments about native compilation here. But Java/kotlin were always compiled ahead of time on Android. So, I expect that the dominant arguments here were non technical and boil down to not invented here syndrome.
And now kotlin multiplatform (endorsed last year by Google) and compose multi platform are there. Compose multiplatform is interesting because it extends Google's own framework to other platforms (IOS, Web, Desktop). That has been an obvious thing to work on for a while but Google didn't want to go there because it had Flutter. But now Jetbrains has done it for them. The multiplatform support on IOS is getting quite nice. Native compilation, easy bindings between kotlin and swift code (both ways), etc.
It will be interesting to see if Google rallies behind compose multiplatform as well. IMHO they should and it's an opportunity to get a bit of control over IOS development and wrestle that away from Apple.
That usual Kotlin narrative keeps forgetting that Android Studio, Gradle, and Kotlin itself are built and depend on, Java based technologies, and there is no Kotlin without Java ecosystem, unless JetBrains ends up releasing a Kotlin Virtual Machine, and rewriting all the Android development stack on top of it.
Additionally, to prove this point even further, as the Java ecosystem keeps moving along happily, despite the anti-Java jabs typical among Android developers playing with Kotlin, ungrateful for its origins, the Android team was obligied to make ART upgradable via Play Store, and update its Java language support all the way up to Java 17 LTS, so that Android developers could still make use of Java libraries on Maven Central, that have moved beyond Java 8.
You should also have a look at Jake Wharton interviews regarding on how the Android team looked up on Flutter, Compose was pratically started as counter movent from the team, there might even still exist on Twitter some of his comments on the subject.
I also agree, supporting both tools seems unnecessary. In my experiences Kotlin multiplatform and compose multiplatform is vastly more enjoyable to write instead of Dart. The development environment alone has also been much easier to get started with using Kotlin multiplatform.
Flutter have been doing quarterly releases for years I think they are going to be fine, I don’t think Android doing 2 releases in a year is going to present any kind of problems whatsoever for them.
> More than that though, there’s simply no good competitor. Maybe, one day, Bluesky can take over, but it’s too small and too self-congratulatory currently. Like most of these starter platforms, the majority of posts seem to be about the network itself, rather than the world outside of it.
I don't recognize the authors comment that it is only about Bluesky. It likely all depends on who you follow.
I have now been a few months on Bluesky and havent looked back. I noticed many thinkers I followed did continue on Bluesky and I noticed there is a much less toxic community which is a big win for my mental health.
As an EU citizen, I think we have no choice but to be tough here. Trump’s tariffs aren’t something we asked for, but backing down isn’t an option either—he’ll just keep pushing. Targeting US services, especially big tech, makes sense because it hits where the US is genuinely vulnerable, and Europe can’t match them dollar-for-dollar on goods alone.
Look, I’d prefer a cooperative relationship too, but diplomacy clearly hasn’t worked. The US administration needs to understand that actions have consequences, and if this means leveraging our market strength and standing firm, then that’s exactly what we have to do. If the EU doesn’t respond decisively, we’ll only embolden more aggressive policies from Trump’s side.
We’ve tried being patient. Now it’s about showing we won’t be pushed around.
True story, though in the 1930's the US was not the global hegemony it is today nor did it control the global reserve currency. Back then the British empire held that crown. The US of today is a different beast than in the 1930s.
What makes you think his comment is based on the article?
I have read the article and I found it very thin on the details regarding any specifics on what exactly "tariffing big tech" would be, especially that StarLink mentioned in the article is not really "big tech" in EU, but more of a niche ISP.
Which is why I believe he didn't read it, plus the general trend of HN users to rush to comment without reading the articles that's a meme at this point, which only results in low quality emotionally charged rants being upvoted to the top even though they have little to do with the article in the topic.
And the actual big-tech would be more difficult to tariff since their products don't cross any customs like star link, but are all sold by companies registered in the EU, same how example Fords are also manufactured in the EU to get around tariffs.
Kinda-sorta agree with your point, it's the HN headline that has been editorialized. The actual article mentions services as a whole, not big tech specifically, which makes it seem that the GP focused more on the headline, but even their comment is talking about services as a whole.
In terms of your comment, they didn't say Starlink is big tech. The paragraph in question separates them with the word "another example":
> A fightback could include restrictions on the intellectual property of Big Tech companies. Another example would be banning Elon Musk’s Starlink satellite network from winning government contracts.
As for big tech examples examples, the article did mention revoking of patents, or obstructing revenues on software updates and streaming. But yeah, the article is otherwise thin on details wrt big tech, primarily because it's not focusing on that topic specifically.
Excuse me for wanting to know the full context of the topic and do critical thinking before commenting on it, instead of opening my mouth to parrot the "Orange Man Evil" party line to farm upvotes.
Your arguments aren't in conflict with jurmous, though. The article can be thin on details and jurmous could be correct that the EU needs to be tough. I get the sense no one is really sure what you're taking umbrage at. It doesn't help that you mix in flame bait accusations about other posters' motivations.
>and jurmous could be correct that the EU needs to be tough
Then you also admit I was right that people make emotionally charged comments/rants that have little to do with the details of the article.
Should I be sorry for pointing it out instead of jumping on the "US/Trump bad" bandwagon without any arguments like jurmous did whose comment is just vague demagogy("EU needs to be tough") without comments on the specifics of the article?
When everyone just posts vague emotional demagogy comments, then the quality of the discussion goes to shit. Sorry, I'm here for more technical argumented discussions, not "US-bad EU-strong" comments.
Well, you could have pulled jurmous up for digressing without accusing them of not reading the article. You're also free to criticise their comment for being emotionally charged, although in this case I would disagree with you.
Two things here can't be true at the same time: You either believe that a guy who went bankrupt six times running casinos, and thinks tariffs are paid by the export country...Is an economic genius, OR you believe Warren Buffet and every other US and European analyst that says this is going to be one of the few artificially induced recessions.
Which one of them is going to be?
And now is pressuring car manufacturers not to follow normal corporate financial management...
"...In fact, based on a survey we conducted earlier this month in conjunction with Ipsos, consumers are spending less due to increased concerns about inflation and the economy. This is manifesting itself into slower traffic across the industry in the U.S. in Quarter 1, which we are experiencing in our business as well..."
The EU isn’t trying to “rob” American tech companies or punish them just out of spite. They’ve introduced strict regulations like GDPR or the Digital Markets Act, because they’re genuinely concerned about protecting consumer rights, privacy, and maintaining fair compettion. These aren’t random fines aimed only at US firms, European companies get fined too if they break the rules.
It’s true Europe struggles to build big global tech companies, but that’s mainly due to factors like fragmented markets, less venture capital, and more cautious investors, not just regulation. Cities like Berlin, Amsterdam, and Stockholm actually have thriving tech scenes despite these rules.
So it’s really not about hurting US tech, it’s more about making sure huge companies, wherever they’re from, follow clear rules and don’t abuse their market power.
Wow! Really - this is the one patent-restricted feature I was hoping they were going to solve. I'm curious if a decent quality blood oxygen meter could give me additional data about my sleep apnea. I've previously trief several blood oxygen meters ordered from Amazon, and the results were very low accuracy and low confidence, and the only decent ones couldn't log data continuously over time. (At least not when I bought a few different ones a handful of years ago)
Which is the opposite of what's needed to understand whether scattered short term variations are breathing stops to worry about.
> regularity
Their variation feature does mark moments of (selectable low/med/high) variance, without the medically diagnostic information that seems to get patent claimants going.
One would then need to get a pre-ban Apple Watch (as it's a software toggle and the ban was not retroactive watches registered before that date continue to support the feature) or other device to monitor and record the data one's doctor needs.
Perhaps you could try a Garmin watch or activity band? Afaict they don't have the same geo restriction. They're less smart as smart watches go, but in return they have better battery life
I have an amazfit bip 2 or 3 and iirc I can enable spo2 monitoring "constantly" I don't because mine is always 99 so I shut it off and just test manually.
It tracks movement and breathing during sleep. I think it now tracks snoring too, wakeups, rem/deep sleep times, and steps, heart rate, and stress levels.
The app is called zepp and I don't know if any of this is exportable but I only care about a cheap watch that has heartrate on it.
Did you try the ones from https://getwellue.com/? In my informal testing against “medical-grade” SPO2 monitors they were accurate and they record all night long.
I'm in the US and I totally forgot about the blood oxygen patent fiasco. I have an Apple Watch Series 8 and it continues to work. Maybe it's only newer models that are affected?
That's plain wrong. iPhone uses sim data or something to enable/disable that noise. Source: myself with two iPhones bought in Japan and used both there and in the EU.
I have YouTube premium and I have access to experimental features and coincidentally they offer one feature called audio in high quality. So they are working on improving it.
Description:
High-Quality Audio
Available until February 22
With high-quality audio, you can listen to music on YouTube in the best audio quality.
How it works:
Watch an eligible music video on YouTube and enjoy the benefits of higher-quality audio.
There's no "end-to-end drm" for audio. Any audio can be captured near losslessly by plugging in a USB-C to 3.5mm adapter, and a sound card on the other end. There's also no HDCP-like mechanism for sound, so if you're willing to put the work into it, you could make a fake USB DAC that produces a bit perfect capture of the audio output.
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