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There's a number of people who try and influence elections, money is not nearly as effective as you think it is. Or else a few people that have a few billion in their coffers would run and have won elections in places and other things far more than what they currently do/have done.

The wealthiest entity in the USA is the government itself. It's not even close.

Further, if currency was not able to influence things then that eliminates the main purpose of fiat currency, there is obviously a place for it in any case. Just because you don't like the direction it's being used doesn't mean you have a reasonable position either. Fiat is a benefit to the government in all ways and its in it's best interest to uphold the strength of their currency, not just for the locals to the land in the borders, but if they want to influence the rest of the world.

You should go down the path of "fair elections" because you otherwise lose all points for being vague and imprecise that no one can contest you on because you don't think we are worth the argument.


If tomorrow I owned 1 zillion dollar, that wouldn't make me able to change the course of next US (presidential) elections. It's not the only factor, ofc, but it is a very relevant one. Let's consider other factors that might be relevant: influence, visibility, arguments, fame, political weight, political knowledge, time, will. There are others. Someone with no influence on these factors and no money can hardly influence the outcomes of a nation election. If that someone was made a billionaire overnight, it can gain control over some factors, improving the likelihood of their impact over the next elections. Will they succeed? Not necessarily, but that their impact can become perceivable is undeniable.

Fair elections: in the US there are a bunch of practices related to vote that I don't consider fair. First and foremost, how votes are counted. Then, how money can be used to finance parties and campaigns. Gerrymandering is another one.


I look forward to the Great Australian firewall, maybe they can contain themselves without infecting the rest of the world.


> arguments like this ignore the point.

And the point should be ignored even more. Free software is a fairly specific thing, trying to co-opt it into something it isn't makes you the bad actor

Make your own idea instead of stealing and leeching off the success of others. Thats frankly disrespectful to even have the gall to do this. You definitely don't deserve ruining another's image for your idea of how society should work.


This is precisely what the author is attempting to do.

> I know my goal: shift the default in open source from “it’s free for anyone to use” to “please don’t use this if you’re evil”. I don’t just want to do this for my little project; I want to slowly change the discourse. I’m not sure how to do that effectively, if it’s even possible.

> I remain unconvinced at the societal value of “freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose”, often called freedom 0. I don’t want to donate my work to the bad guys!

They never use the term “free software” to describe their goals. To the extent they use the term “open source” it’s in the lowercase informal form. How else should they describe their ideas if not using this terminology?


There are lots of alternative movements to Free Software and Open Source, like Ethical Computing, Fair Source etc. Use one of those, or the more generic "source available" term.


Why misrepresent what someone else said to make your point?


> My comment was pointing out that there are multiple possible (probably simultaneous) causes for the jury statistics.

Sure, but this is a non-statement without qualifying anything behind it. You can defeat any argument by claiming its "multi-faceted". Just like how I am doing to you right now, but instead forcing you into the position where you lack evidence to dismiss.


Very apt, OpenAI's start was always poach-central, we know this from executive email leaks via Elon/Sam respectively.

Any gibberish on any company's behalf of "poaching" is nonsense regardless IMO.


> Secondly, incitement to violence is illegal in most countries. If you think it's not in yours, why not try it and see where you end up?

By all means, if that's the way you want to represent the issue, then there is no discussion to be had.

I will, however, represent it this way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingd...

I can be compelled in a few situations in this incomplete list were of the "deserved" type. But you can't convince me on all of them.


The stakes are naturally higher and harsher than at any point in history. The government, all kinds, are reinforcing it, and governments are entirely reflective of society, there is no washing your hands of this responsibility.

Gen-Z is not only completely in the right in being sheepish, their predecessors are entirely to blame, and every attempt to claim they were not a part of the increasing surveillance state is a lie.

Even the older members of Gen-Z can be blamed to a small degree.

There is no cure


Of course there is a cure: penalties for publishing someone's likeness without permission. No one is getting media releases when they take these videos and publish them online but they are already supposed to. Make it easier to file lawsuits and watch these non-consensual non-newsworthy published videos disappear.


This is so uninteresting considering the comments that you passed over from the other user:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44510731#44516503

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44510731#44519298

No, I imagine you don't see the blatant disregard. Maybe sagaar is a genuine representation of this community, and as are you. Entirely inflammatory people who seek to poison the well and act like they're not doing it.


The first link is someone responding in kind to another inflammatory comment from the same person. It's all part of the same thread in which the person I originally responded to was being a doofus on purpose. I could have just responded to his first root instead of his leaf comment, it was the same content twice.

The second I can't even view, I guess it's removed, in which case probably more of the same and my comment applies equally to it. Not like I'm going to go down every branch of the convo and reply to every one of them.


Oh, I know exactly what I'm doing and I'll own up to it. I think it's a more honest position than being the guy who posts "noncontroversial" comments that always end up downvoted for some reason.


If you went to a website that consisted of roughly within 2 standard deviation population representative of multiple sides, then maybe you would have a point.

But this is reddit. It is not a population consisting of anywhere near that generous 2 standard deviations.

You know precisely what you're doing and you know you're being dishonest.

Tell me, a website that is not wholly owned and operated by shills on the left would respond with the state of /r/pics any day of the week, and exclaim that is entirely organic behavior, let alone consisting of representative population of the real world USA.

We can go blow for blow in any large sub. In fact, tell me why /r/Idaho, a state that has consistently voted red for decades somehow has "organically" resulted in posts entirely consisting of run-of-the-mill liberal posts? What of /r/Texas which is the same story and out of the question not a liberal stronghold that it presents itself to be.

You can pull the wool over your eyes all day, don't expect anyone else in the world to believe your bullshit.


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