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Happy Jumpshare user here! Invaluable for sharing quick videos for my workflow.


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I read this in Gilfoyle's voice.


"You mean Earning Man?"


As a counterpoint, I was once driving across the country with my Father in a rented Kia Forte, heading West to Oregon. Neither of us had a smart phone at the time, having lived in a rural area on the East coast with little cell phone service - so we relied on an old paper map, a Rand McNally or something like it, to deliver us to the West Coast

As we were driving West through Nevada, we reached Winnemucca - and faced a decision. We could detour severely south via route 80 to Reno, and head back North, or take route 49, which looked to be on the map an improved road, in more or less our direction of travel. Turns out that this "Jungo Road" was really nothing more than a heavily rutted dirt road past some seemingly abandoned mines, that skirted the Black Rock Desert and served as an access road to where Burning Man is held. A few hours of skull rattling bumpy road and one super dirty rental car air filter later, we finally emerged back onto a nicely paved road near Gerlach.


They weren't just torrent sites, they housed communities and (eventually on What) music graphs that led to countless new musical discoveries for users. If Oink wasn't shut down, What.cd wouldn't have existed - it was simply the precursor. Waffles was just (IMO) a slightly less popular destination for the diaspora of Oink users.


If you think you don't like Slack, just wait until your company forces you to use Microsoft Teams ... Slack is really focused, performant, and an absolute joy to use in comparison.


This is just a specific case of the more general: "If you think you don't like X, just wait until your company forces you to use Microsoft Y."


Is that a law? I feel like that should be a law:

If you think you don't like X, just wait until your company forces you to use Microsoft Y.

- _emacsomancer_'s law

I've used slack for school, and it was pretty useful. I'm using Teams at work, and it seems remarkably less so. I'm not sure if it's because nobody's comfortable using it for anything other than skype meetings, or because it somehow seems less intuitive or well thought out as slack. Probably a bit of both.

One thing that kind of kills me - we use visualstudio.com too for git (incidentally, it's interesting to see a strong tfs team struggling with git - vs/git integration is useful only if you're relative comfortable with git in the first place), and there doesn't seem to be any kind of strong integration between vs.com and ms teams. That's weird. I see my team on teams, I converse with them on teams, I have access to my backlog items on teams (with an azure plugin), but why can't I see my team's board? vs.com's UI takes some getting used to, but at the very least it seems like it should be accessible, with very little additional work, within teams.

Teams feels a lot like a half-baked (maybe 3/4 baked) response to Slack that could really be so much more.


"and there doesn't seem to be any kind of strong integration between vs.com and ms teams"

Is Teams the bastard stepchild of Microsoft? I haven't used Teams, but I recall reading a personal account probably 6 years ago about what working on Google+ was like. Every time something integrated to it, it was a mess and dragged the other products down. Word got around and groups actively avoided the Google+ team and were scrambling for justification as to why they shouldn't get integrated.

0 chance I could find the comment now, but it stuck with me all these years.


Is Teams the bastard stepchild of Microsoft?

Teams is replacing Skype for Business.


You can add a tab with an arbitrary URL to your 'team' - it's the "Website" Tab type. Presumably you could put the vs.com link for your team's board in using that?


To be fair, I found Slack an absolute joy to use before the switch but.. YMMV, as always :)


> Slack is really focused, performant, and an absolute joy to use in comparison.

I never thought I'd live to see the day where Slack was the most performant of any given alternatives, but I suppose that was short-sighted.


> just wait until your company forces you to use Microsoft Teams

Teams isn't that terrible.

On my current gig, we use Teams (free for us because of some Action Pack or Office package - and that's fine because it's one less spend for us) and used to use Slack. I've used Slack and HipChat in previous employments as well.

I'll be honest, I don't see much difference between any of them, they all have their UIX minor annoyances and good points.

Ultimately with all these things it's all about good team etiquette and not interrupting your colleague workflow expecting responses within two minutes of pinging someone (we treat it like email, asynchronous, and for non-urgent communication). To be honest, I dislike the immediacy of these tools and usually mute every channel. If something's really that bloody urgent then just pick up the sodding phone :)


The underpinnings are a step in the right direction, but the UX is a dumpster fire, which makes me pine for the usability of the lesser dumpster fire of Lync/Skype for Business.

God forbid you ever need to be doing two IM conversations at a time, or attend a meeting and carry on a backchannel conversation concurrently.

It's apparently too difficult to do a MDI interface in Electron.


To be honest there's just four of us all working remotely so I've not bumped into this. But I take your points onboard. I will admit I thought the screen sharing capability in Teams was fairly poor, but it's not something we do often and can resort to TeamViewer or something like that if need be. But I do realise that's not an option for folks working in a regimented and heavily controlled environment such as a bank.

Also we're in our mid 40's to 50's so perhaps there's a generational discipline we have with these toys that the young guns may not have :) Don't get me wrong, I was a complete asshole on the college VAX messaging thing back in my teens :)


Have you tried scrolling up to look at conversation history? It spends an age loading the messages, even those from just a few minutes ago.


To be honest it doesn't seem any worse than Slack (I only use the desktop client). But as I mentioned earlier, we're a fairly small team and use it sparingly.


I used Lotus Notes for a few years, nothing can scare me after that.


Here’s the catch. I think Teams was derived vom Groove Networks which was created by Ray Ozzie, the father of Lotus Notes.


It’s Groove, rewritten from scratch, one more time. Ray Ozzie just can’t stop rewriting this damn app, again and again and again, and taking 5-7 years each time. - Joel Spolsky, 2008


We're in this exact scenario, right now. Teams is f'n painful, compared to Slack. <head mashing desk gif>


Seriously. Teams is pure shit. Even Jabber is better.


My experience with Teams has been nothing but pleasant...


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Reader Mode on Safari maybe?


I'm not sure why this is downvoted. It's a real concern IMO. Want to use Waze on your Apple i-touch-touch windshield screen? Fair enough, but expect those "cheap gas station alert" pop-ups to persist there as well.


Because Apple doesn’t try to shove ads in your face (except in the App Store, which seems fair enough).

They don’t let you show ads on CarPlay (out for 3-4 years), why would this be any different?


They don't show ads yet. Once operating systems started integrating ads, I became increasingly cynical.

Ads are the current end game for anything with access to user eyeballs. Just give it a few years, until whatever devision needs some way to squeeze a little more juice out of their revenue projections


>They don't show ads yet. Once operating systems started integrating ads

I've never seen integrated ads on any of my Macs during normal use outside a web browser, and in iOS specifically it's always been a thing, whether built-in to the OS or a third party library. But since including, what is it called now, AdKit? I haven't seen any unusual ads in the main UI other than in the usual use-cases in apps or the web browser.


I highly doubt it in apples case. It would be a complete 180 for them. Android? Sure. But Apple has spent years reenforcing the message that they don’t monetize your data in the same way that android does.


> Apple doesn’t try to shove ads in your face (except in the App Store, which seems fair enough)

And how much of Apple's current behavior is simply a product of luxury they can afford just as long as they're in the money?

What behaviors will Apple exhibit when their demands begin to outstrip their resources? It's a very large for-profit corporation, don't be so myopic.


It’s a luxury brand. What would you expect, say, Louis Vitton to do in such a situation? Nothing. Any response (other than “no response”) would ruin their brand image.


Apple sells to people looking for a different approach.

This is fundemental, and doing it commands high margins.

Being successful is why they have the cash pile they do and get the fat margins.

One subtle artifact in all of that is Apple does not need volume, nor has to accomodate tons of hardware variants. Being whole "stack" in this sense means being able to ask for value added everywhere possible.

I suspect ADS in a car HUD will not be welcome, and could actually see ethical challenges. Incentives are high to get a thing like this right.

I will tell you all right now, for me? NO. Not one AD. Not while driving. It is not OK, nor worth it.

Bet a cookie that sentiment is not hard to find out there.

In any case, the luxury comes from doing the work. Apple is well differentiated in this way. They have no reason to change, and billions of reasons to continue.


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