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They sell all those Rand books in Portland, at Powell's. Every one of them. It's no wonder that Portland is a hotbed for libertarian thought and free market propaganda. It's awful. Don't move there.


What you did in this thread is vandalism in its own right. Trying to defend one community by dropping crap in another doesn't seem very civil. Neither is the ingroup/outgroup subtext that seems to me to underly this sort of posting.

Edit: since you've done this before on HN, I've banned this account for trolling. If you don't want to be banned on HN, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the site rules in the future.


Did you know it's legal for anyone to sleep on your sidewalk in Portland? And where are they going to the bathroom? It's terrible. Don't move there. Go to Beaverton if you need to move to Oregon. But you'll be sorry. Stay away from Portland. They'll take all your stuff and the police won't help you. They are in cahoots with the street criminals. It's awful. Don't move to Portland.


SOMA is So Mach Better than Portland. You can meet other people who work in your field. No one looks at you weird when you get on the bus for work. You can get a real burrito. You can find a bathroom. Don't move to Portland. It's awful.


No toilets anywhere. They are into that composting thing and they think it's all fertilizer. It smells like a mix of rotting feces, pot, and body odor. Horrible place. Don't move there.


Oh it's terrible. There are no toilets. Even though open carry is legal there's crime everywhere. It's horrible. The suburbs are so much better. Lake Oswego is a nice place. None of those dirty anarchists or loud musicians or street thugs. Portland is what happens when you let the inmates run the asylum. It's awful. They'll steal your laptop, key your Tesla, spit in your latte, and defecate on your front lawn, if you can even find a house. Otherwise you'll be in a condo where 8 people in a rock band live next door, smoke pot all the time, and play loud guitars. And the weather is terrible. It's awful. Don't move there.


Portland is terrible. Don't move here. There's nowhere to park. There's homeless everywhere. There's no real tech companies. There's no VC. And the air smells like pot.

Don't move here. Trust me. Stay in California. You think it's bad but you have no idea what happens here. Your children may be kidnapped by Sasquatch.

Did you know that meat might even be illegal in Portland by 2019? And they still listen to rock music, cassettes, and guitars. Don't move to Portland.

Disgraceful anarchists. Car hating thugs. Dirty homeless people. It's terrible. The author has no idea how bad it is.

They don't fluoridate water. You can't pump your own gas. They shut down roads for cars and only allow bikes. It's going to be illegal to drive your own car. You can't do anything to your property if there's trees in it.

And there's hippies. Real smelly granola types. They all smoke pot all the time.

Don't move to Portland. It'll ruin your life. The homeless are everywhere.



That's it.. NOW I'm moving.


If your mindset is $$$ first it doesn't matter where you live. We have a ton of valley expats here in Portland. The ones who are really artists and creatives at heart and work to subsidize their outside lives tend to thrive here. The ones who just want to live more cheaply end up miserable because this is not California North.

Wanna move to Portland? By all means come on up! But leave your dot-com privilege and your "live to impress VC's" mentality back home. Come to Oregon and be an Oregonian.

Also- if you're attached to your car, Portland is not for you. The commutes from the 'burbs are as nasty as the Bay Area, and the inner city is made for biking and walking. Your car is good for the weekends- getting to the Coast and the Mountains- but not for your work week. Change your perspective on commuting. This ain't CAr-ifornia

Note- I said "weekends", meaning Saturday and Sunday when you are not working. If that is a foreign concept to you, Oregon is not for you.


Holy cow are you a character from Portlandia?

I mean I was fine with most of what you said until you literally wrote, CAr-ifornia. What? People actually use that word and expect to be taken seriously?

I mean maybe there are people who talk too much about VCs, but your post didn't make you sound any better than those people. Talk about exclusionary.


"The ones who just want to live more cheaply end up miserable because this is not California North." Why do you think that is?

I'm interested in it due to the lifestyle but also the idea of being able to afford to bootstrap my next company in the next year or so. My gf had a friend who moved up but couldn't stand the lack of sun (former San Diegoan) - this has made her reticent to make the move from our rent-controlled shoebox...


Wow. That makes me really want to move to Portland! Sounds glorious.


The dream of the 90's is alive and not just here in Portland!

I'm still writing Java to make money to buy music. Just like the 90's.


Perfect, bug-free software has economies of scale.

There is no such thing as perfect, bug-free software.

Once you start getting into any sort of maintenance, bug-fixing, feature creep- you lose all of the economies of scale of perfect software and replace that with the expenses the author discusses in the article.


You've possibly missed my point. The author made the statement that software differs from other items. It does not. Try making a 1km long truck and see if it's perfectly bug free. That doesn't mean trucks don't enjoy economies of scale.

Let me try another way to explain this: if software had diseconomies of scale, then selling each successive copy of your software that you made would make all the software more expensive. Eg, if I made a computer game and sold it to 1 person, I could do it for $10. If I sold it to 10 people, I would no longer be able to afford selling it for $10 and would need to sell it for $20 (x10 = $200 total). Makes no sense right? That's because software enjoys economies of scale. If I sell 1 copy of my game and want to make a profit, I need to charge $500000 to 1 person. If I sell it to 500000 people, I can get away with charging each person $0.99. The more software I sell, the better my economies of scale become.

abrgr explains it nicely in a sibling post here.


This is only new for people who did not grow up in poverty. For those of us who were below the middle class, the daily competition to avoid last place was a fact of life in school and in college, and those behaviors and scars don't heal easily, even after you've escaped the pit.

Upward mobility is not completely a myth, but it's a dream akin in actual probability to making it in professional sports, at least here in the USA (in my case, growing up just across the Bay from Silicon Valley).

"Trickle down economics"- aka "Reaganomics"- the great dream of the Republicans- has exacerbated the situation over the last 35 years. I wonder how I was lucky enough to get out.

The rich don't need to keep the poor down, sadly. The poor do a good enough job of keeping one another down.


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