Typical materialist response to Jung. Just because an idea is not scientific does not mean it is invalid or has been disproven in anyway.
Jung drew from many sources - Freud, philosophy, religion, alchemy, anthropology, mythology. Reading Jung requires an open mind, not scientific tunnel vision.
Why? Why should we take it at any more than face value? Why should we presuppose that Jung was super special in his ideas anymore than anyone else who could write a book at that time?
A convincing argument or narrative is not useful if it isn't backed up empirically and doesn't make testable predictions. Anything else isn't science, but pseudoscience, or philosophy. We should not base mental health on philosophy. Empirical reality does not give a shit what introspection or magical thinking or breakthroughs you had. Mental health should be based on what helps people mentally. That can still be Jungian methods for some people, but that doesn't mean Jung is a valid model of human psychology. A broken clock is also regularly correct.
>Just because an idea is not scientific does not mean it is invalid or has been disproven in anyway.
Your work is not more correct just because you thought harder about it than someone else. We know our brains to be terrible at interpreting reality. You cannot think yourself out of an incorrect model, that requires testing against reality. Our minds are also provably against reasoning ourselves out of preconceived notions and broken models.
It's not even an appeal to authority! They should not be considered to have authority because they are no different than you or I reading hours of wikipedia. It doesn't matter how "well read" you are, that doesn't make you any better at empiricism than anyone else. Jung is on the same level as the manosphere promising they have a valid model for predicting, explaining, and interacting with women, and as long as you stay within their narrative that seems true. It's only once you test that narrative against empirical reality that you can show it to be flawed.
Active imagination and dream analysis are regularly utilized by Jungian analysts to help patients explore the unconscious. In my own experience dreams communicate very important information that needs to be brought into conscious awareness to facilitate growth and psychic wholeness.
>I prefer to create meaning from the natural world and take great comfort in the vastness and incredible beauty, variety and complexity of the universe as it actually is, rather than the, unsupported by evidence and often manipulative, ideas around the existence of supernatural beings/causes/effects.
If your life is so meaningful why are you taking so much time to prove how rational and knowledgeable you are? I mean are the references linked above really necessary? You sound like a teenager that just discovered Atheism.
This reminds me of an interview with Noam Chomsky, intellectual and professor at MIT, where he said that he can't prove it but he suspects students at the elite universities are no smarter than the ones at public universities. They're simply more obedient. There's plenty of bright folks that refuse to jump through the hoops necessary to get accepted at the elite schools.
Let us presuppose that Palestine is a country. Having a small territory, angry neighbors and a blockade at your border doesn’t make you a prisoner. It simply means that you are at war and losing, or have been conquered and are now occupied territory until you submit to your new overlords.
To become prisoners, one would have to consider Palestinians to not be members of a separate country to Israel, but rather 2nd class citizens forced into a sort of apartheid.
Yes I read the quote, but my understanding of the Palestinians in Gaza is based on reality and not ideology. Gaza is a separate territority. The Palestinians there are more of less free to leave, especially if they want to go somewhere other than Israel. The plight of an impoverished people held hostage by a terrorist government does not a concentration camp make.
The Chinese government is literally putting Uighurs in box cars and shipping them to camps.
So the takeaway is that the poster has to be a renowed (within this thread) expert or what, the ostensible point is lost? The derail (whataboutism) is not constructive. The Palestinian/Israeli dispute/occupation is not in the same realm as Chinas historic actions.
> Consciousness as a useful frontier, in my opinion, will only have utility as it intersects with neuroscience and artificial intelligence.
So by neuroscience and artificial intelligence I'm guessing we can assume you're just referring to western science.
How about the Buddhists? Or the shamans in tribal societies around the world? Was there no utility in their understanding and manipulation of consciousness (which was often achieved through the use of psychedelics)? In many ways the shamans and other spiritual practitioners are far ahead of western science in terms of understanding consciousness. However, that is rarely acknowledged in western society, especially among technical folks such as ourselves. Western science is not the only valid way to understand reality.
Have you ever stopped to really ponder the literal awesome nature of dreaming? A relatively simple function we all practice, even our dogs.
When you're in a lucid dream, you have the ability to construct your reality with nothing more than intention. It's a higher fidelity experience for every sense than any virtual reality gear known to Silicon Valley could provide. The nature of lucid dreaming combined with a deeply introspective nature have certainly led me to believe there is a deep well of discovery when it comes to studying consciousness. Is it an emergent phenomenon? Is it something else entirely? Are we all just deterministic robotic meat-sacks? Are we truly just in a simulation?
> Western science is not the only valid way to understand reality.
"Dreams represent just one type of illusion. The whole universe arises and dissolves like a mirage. Everything about us, even the most enlightened qualities, are also dreamlike phenomena. There's nothing that is not encompassed within the dream of illusory being; so in going to sleep, you're just passing from one dream state to another."
Start regularly attending yoga classes. This has improved my posture significantly over the past year. I personally enjoy power yoga classes that are more strength focused but all yoga will help with posture.
I think it's fair to compare. Excluding Apple's recent scissor switch keyboard, they've both been reliable and serviceable. They've both had a following over many years. Aesthetically, I've preferred Apple's keyboards and I'm sure many people feel conversely.
Jung drew from many sources - Freud, philosophy, religion, alchemy, anthropology, mythology. Reading Jung requires an open mind, not scientific tunnel vision.