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FYI, more comments over on this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22160226


We merged them hither.


Until it's also shuttered in 18 months, sheesh.


Well, that would be 18 months after the VP that championed the acquisition has been promoted and moved on.


I feel this falls short as an explanation of Google's ongoing service carnage. Where are all these people going?


> Due to the specific source code used for App Maker, you can’t directly migrate your apps to another platform. We recommend that you explore these options

I couldn't help but recall the song, "There she goes again" [1], when I saw this. Google propose partial alternatives, but I wonder how long until those are also shuttered. Is it even worth migrating to another Google product? if you have to do the work yourself, migrate to a different (or open source) vendor.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68MKLkNSMN4


No, any reasonable user would start completely removing themselves from Google (really any corporate SaaS environment that they don't completely own the source code of). This seems like killing the goose that laid the golden egg, I'm sure on a balance sheet these products are loosing money, but that basically tells any client who wants to build a service that you aren't trustworthy in the long term.


That's what is funny about all these cloud services, especially Amazon. You no longer get to think about the common sense way of doing things, but instead you have to use the AWS way. You're better off investing your time into building your own agnostic solution.


Why especially Amazon, I haven't seen them shutter any major service?

I've seen lots of companies throw away their V1 and start over (hopefully with the knowledge learned), so my opinion is that it's okay to vendor lock-in and leverage stuff like AWS Load Balancers, ECS, etc. You're going to end up having to rewrite it when you finally scope out your real challenges, so it doesn't matter if V1 was agnostic or vendor-based.

> You're better off investing your time into building your own agnostic solution.

This sounds suspiciously like 'not invented here.'


I really hate the way AWS forces you to choose between portability and cost-efficiency.


But then it’s not really cost efficient, eh? Just a mirage until the pain comes. Until then, “let them consume highly abstracted services”.

There’s a reason some savvy firms continue to own their own infra. No one is forcing you to use AWS.


I'd love to see a service-guarantee of a core Google Product like Youtube, GMail, maybe even something further down the trough like Google music, buying into Cloud DataStore, Cloud Functions, etc. before I trust it fully.

As far as memes go I'm more reminded of the fade-to-black-wake-up-in-skyrim-for-a-200hr-session where instead of a 200 hour game session its a 200 hours of needless migration work.


The trouble with other vendors is the constant threat of the aquihire.

Really this is a problem with SaaS in general (although Google takes it to a pathological extreme)

You're one VC away from a pivot that is a closure under any other name.


The wonderful original of that song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZXLLMbJdZ4


Did you actually use this product? What are you migrating to?


Fittingly by rock band “Sixpence None The Richer”.


Does anyone know if this typical or atypical for anti-competitive investigations?


It is moderately atypical, but not unheard of. It especially makes sense (to the government bodies) if there's less overlap than expected between state and federal document production requests.

Coordinating a 50-state+DOJ memorandum of understanding is not the easiest thing in the world. The news of a meeting suggests that someone important thinks the juice is probably worth the squeeze.


This is most probably related to antitrust investigation.


Who are in the top 3 then? I thought Tesla was leading, but I haven’t been following closet


Probably these ones: https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-top-3-companies-in-autonom...

Tesla is leading in marketing though, if that helps :)


It's Waymo & Cruise far in the lead, although I don't know where some of the stealthier companies like Aurora are right now.


Typically, these posts get flagged by users because they realize that they violate HN's guidelines [0]. It's interesting, just off-topic. Not sure what the threshold is for getting flagged vs upvotes, but I suspect it takes far fewer flags that votes.

> If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Yes, it's completely and exceptionally awesome that we can just sign on the Internet and gain this genome sequence. But it's also important to weigh the value. As the article states:

> but there is insufficient epidemiological information for it to be useful here


So the authors are using that in a particular manner that might be missed by the general HN audience.

By "insufficient epidemiological information", they mean that the genome cannot, itself, be used to assemble a transmission tree, which is sort of the brass ring of sequence data.

That is not to say that the genome data isn't useful for epidemiology.


It looks to me like that quote is talking about one particular sequence that they've left out of their list (it's explaining why they did that), not about the 13 sequences that they have listed.


Ah, ok. Thank you for pointing that out


Wow. I thought lockdown was an editorialization of the event, but seems to be accurate. Quote from an NBC News correspondent there:

> Wuhan is now closed off. No flights or trains out, and no mass transit within. Before dawn, we saw public buses parked on streets.

> https://twitter.com/janisfrayer/status/1220176782999113728


Is that an easy thing to do? Is it like the Tomcat web server where the undeploy button sat RIGHT NEXT TO the reload button? https://javatutorial.net/how-to-deploy-and-undeploy-applicat...

Lots of "whoops" happened a decade ago because of that design decision...


> I'm currently building a free analytics service that's the fastest. Ever.

How do you intend to make money from this free service?


If you're getting over a million hits I might add some incentive to donate, but mainly I take this as my payback to the developer community. I'm launching another product in a different domain at the moment and hoping that can compensate.

At the end of the day, if anything goes wrong, I'll always be happy to open source the whole thing.


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