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that low-ish revenue you report is also there in the iphone platform as the overall aggregate iphone app sales masks that data point.

Now can we have a honest conversation instead of using the non-meaningful fragmentation word designed to start a non-conversation..

Its the same problem with code quality..code quality dramatically impacts sellability on both platforms..however we have a diss-connect as on android people want to blame Google Play market rather than the problem and on iphone peopel want to claim its something else because Apple never gets anything wrong..

ITS THE SAME EFFING problem FOLKS ON Both platforms!

Can we please remove our heads from our asses!?


No it's not, read the sales comparisons of apps that have both iOS and Android versions...the difference is quite striking.


The problem may just be that the business model that works on Apple's app store - direct sales - doesn't work as well on Android.

David Edery: "Triple Town did 67% of its iOS revenue on GooglePlay. Confirms what I'd heard: f2p games are probably the way to go on Android."[1]

Chris Pruett: "@djedery Indeed, Wind-up Knight is more profitable on Android than iOS."[2]

[1] https://twitter.com/#!/djedery/status/185800787581091841

[2] https://twitter.com/#!/c_pruett/status/185802890688991232


We shall see how Google Play affects this. I expect a lift, at least in the short term. Whether GOOG can become an entertainment platform in people's hearts and minds remains to be seen.


they already have a mobile SIM card that acts as a credit card..this is why Smartphones will take longer to uptake there due to the different SIM card not necessarily the phone device price.


The best example of this is m-pesa by Kenya's Safaricom. In Kenya the banks market share has been totally cannibalized because most people couldn't afford a bank and then when most of the population went to strictly m-pesa so did a majority of the vendors, etc. I wouldn't say bitCoin doesn't have a shot at replacing that, but it's got a long long way to go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Pesa


the article is link bait..

How do I know? Because the same fragmentation exists on iphone but smaller in quantities..to say it is not there on iphone is a bit somewhat lying like republicans..

Now lets see someone be honest about this on both platforms or STFU


I run a 10-person development team, split 50:50 Android / iOS, under a digital agency. We build apps for carriers (account management apps), brands, etc.

From my own personal experience, which having built apps since the first iOS SDK and Android 1.6 is hopefully fairly reliable, the QA and testing burden on Android apps is considerably higher than iOS.

That in itself isn't totally surprising, because there are far more handsets on the market. But that's not the real issue: say I'm writing an app for a network carrier. Carriers typically want their apps to run on all hardware they've sold for the past two years (ie, everyone who's still under contract).

On iOS, that's iOS 3-5. Very soon, it'll be iOS 4-5 - 4 was released in June 2010.

On Android, that's 1.6, 2.0, 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, and 4.0. Because the key difference is when Apple release a new version of iOS, they stop selling the old one. But that's not the case with Android. Even today there are still phones on the market running 2.1.

When you say "the same fragmentation exists on iPhone but smaller in quantities" - I don't really think you know what you're talking about. If you're developing an app now you can pretty easily support iOS 4.3 upwards, which would cover all handsets being actively sold by Apple for the past 21 months or so (the 3GS onwards, or three phone models and two tablets)). How many Android phones running how many versions have been released in the past 21 months? Far, far more.

This doesn't inherently make Android a bad platform: lots of people choose to develop PC games even though there's a much higher testing burden that consoles (in terms of the varying environments and OS versions). I think Android is great: I'm not arguing against developing for it. But I think you'd be very hard pressed to find someone experienced with both the iOS and Android platforms who'd disagree with the notion that fragmentation on Android takes up a lot more time to deal with than iOS.


Apple's major versions come out once a year, while Android's about twice per year. In this case Android 2.1 (early 2010) is even newer than iOS 3.0. Are you saying nobody has an iOS 3.0 iPhone anymore?

I don't think phasing out versions is a big deal for Android. It happens about as fast as for iOS (~3 years). What is a bigger deal is how fast the latest OS/API gets adopted. iOS can push out the new version in days to at least 50%-75% of the users, while for Android it takes about a year to be on 75% of the devices (that's how long it took for Gingerbread).

And the issue with that is that users don't get to take advantage too much of the most cutting edge software, until months after release, when (or if) they get their upgrade, while on iOS they can do that just days later.


The degree of variation in iOS is nothing like what you find on Android.


I think I will switch to Google Go


Is it not time for MS to buy another mobile OS company?

MSQNX coming to a phone near you...


MSQNX, no. "Windows Phone with Blackberry Security"? Maybe.

MS could actually do a lot worse than pick up some Blackberry stuff to improve their enterprise offering with WP. If it means getting Blackberry Messenger too, then all the better.


Totally agree - buy RIM, ditch the Blackberry phones, take BBM onto WP7, and use the infrastructure RIM has developed as an enterprise backbone for WP7 with MS-exchange. They'd need to decentralize it a bit, as the network architecture is a bit vulnerable at the moment, but it could be done.

My guess is that if MS is considering this they'll wait until RIM hits rock bottom.


RIM are major contributors to the WebKit project. If they switched to Windows Phone, it would likely be a major initiative to build a WebKit browser on that platform (would likely require a special build of the OS to bake it completely in. Or they could get rid of some of their most talented people. Neither seems very likely to me.

RIM is still known for making attractive hardware. Their best bet is trying to accelerate the Web as the application platform. Joining in with Mozilla's WebAPI initiative would be wise.


You could (and people did) say the same thing about Nokia, though. If RIM was involved in some sort of sale to MS, staff cuts would absolutely be on the table- so actually, ditching WebKit could be convenient.


I don't think that would be a good move for Microsoft. RIM would cost them probably $10B at least. What do they get out of it? They can't really back-port WP7 to the existing BB devices for a quick market-share grab. They don't want QNX. They don't need RIMs enterprise software. They would be spending $10B or more to layoff 90% of the company and throw away most of their existing software & hardware. Microsoft would be better off just doing another Nokia style deal with RIM.


that is an UUID which every linux/unix OS device has one including desktops. Its what URI is based upon, even MS has their own version of such a thing in MS windows..


What is sad is that US citizens do not understand that this un-civil war has been going on for the past 30 years and we as US citizens have done nothing that has a statistical impact of reversing the damage.

Instead we invade Iraq and Afghanistan based on the political connections of a former Haliburton employee and stockholder.

And if we do not wake up soon.. WWII will be on our doorstep.


Indeed. I suspect the anti-immigration, anti-drug, and anti-worker policies from large sections of the political landscape have sown the seeds of the destruction of the United States as surely as anything else.

I was reading Herwig Wolfram's "The Roman Empire and Its Germanic Peoples" and he makes an interesting case that the collapse of the Western Empire a thousand years before the collapse of the Eastern Empire was due in large part to undue concentration of wealth in the West. Despite this, most of the book is about the rise of the Goths within the Empire as essentially a non-state armed force.

It occurs to me that the drug cartels are in a similar place to the Goths, although they are arising in neighboring countries rather than our own country. They are, however operating on both sides of the border and so have a tangible presence in US border states. Perhaps these are all similar as well?


I've thought about it too. You guys catch Saddam and Osama, why can't you launch some drones and put a missile trough capo's asses?

I guess our lives and peace are not worth the intervention.


Can you imagine the magnitude of the political shit storm on both sides of the border the first time a US drone operating in Mexican airspace with the blessing of the Mexican government blows up a few Mexican kids?


And unlike Afghanistan or Iraq, Mexico actually matters to the US. They are our #3 trading partner (Canada and China are #1 and #2), even ignoring trade in labor (and trade in drugs).

Messing that up would be foolish.


It is not about firepower. The Mexican army and marines have more than enough resources to kill the Cartel leaders. Almost, every time they have met the Mexican military wins. The problem is finding the leaders. It took 10 years for the U.S to kill Osama bin Laden, because it was hard to find him. The cartel leaders do the same, they are always in the run, it is believed that El Chapo lives in the mountains.

So far, they have captured or killed 24 out of the 37 most wanted drug lords.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexicos_37_most-wanted_...


Use of drones the U.S. is a done deal courtesy of the recently passed aviation bill.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/04/us/house-approves-aviation...


WWIII?


Sword Fish


if that is true than no TSA rep involved in the lawsuit can also appear before congress..I mean common use some logic please!

The TSA excuse for exclusion is sham in of itself


The problem is having parties on both sides of the lawsuit present, and the hearing is about the TSA, so they can't very well be removed.

If you're going to accuse people of failure to use logic, using a little yourself wouldn't hurt.


Hmm,

If the topic of the lawsuit is going to be discussed, then the invited TSA agent's testimony at the hearing could be relevant to the lawsuit regardless of whether Schneier is there. If the topic of the lawsuit is not going to be discussed, then everything is OK. Remember congress people will do the questioning, not Schneier or Schneier's council. Perhaps Schneier's mere presence could inject some lawsuit-related questions (using a zero-day legal flaw the congress-testimony process, perhaps?) but this possibility seems remote.


Kind of failed just like the rigging of Nokia to choose WP over Android right MS? :)


good news as its one of the important tools that I use


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