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The nominal group in power in Myanmar depends on where you are standing and changes with time. The official government has no authority in most of the country.


> everybody knows it doesn't make any sense anymore,

The shareholders must not know. Because they can sell whenever they want they don't need to turn the company around. They think Elon is going to put ten billion Optimus out in a few years and the cars are all going to be robotaxis..or they think that more people will think that and send it higher.


The shareholders don't need to be true believers. They just need to be happy with the share price the way it is.


What makes you think Tesla can't make Optimus?


They can't even deliver the self-driving car they keep promising; why should we believe that they have some special expertise in automation which will allow them to build better robots than anyone else?


Robotaxi is rolled out and we are not seeing crazy videos like we do with Waymo (who admittedly is doing more miles).

What is exactly with their AI that does not satisfy your criteria? xAI seems to be SOTA, IIRC unbeated in coding performance for whole half year now or so.


> Robotaxi is rolled out and we are not seeing crazy videos like we do with Waymo (who admittedly is doing more miles).

Robotaxi is two orders of magnitude worse than Waymo: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/09/teslas-robotaxi-test-th...

> xAI seems to be SOTA, IIRC unbeated in coding performance for whole half year now or so

(1) Not according to any of the listings I've seen. I mean, don't get me wrong, they're occasionally at the top, but nobody is persistently at the top for more than about 6 weeks.

(2) xAI is not Tesla, and Musk has faced legal action because his work on xAI took talent and resources away from Tesla: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/13/24177975/tesla-shareholde...


The Tesla Optimus is, unlike Optimus Prime, smaller than a car. This means it has less room for battery and compute. The gap between the cars and the robots suggests that Koomey's law[0] will still require 5-10 years to go from compute that can run in and operate a self-driving car (by any constant standard[1]) and compute that can run in the power envelope available to a humanoid robot which can get into any old car and drive it equally well.

And that's just the ability to drive a car. To be what Musk is selling Optimus as, it would have to be much more capable than simply driving a car.

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None of this precludes him selling Optimus robots as remote control units, where the AI is only the bare minimum for walking without falling over. This would already be transformative to a lot of industries, and if such robots would have a TCO in factory conditions of, say, $24k/year, could easily lead to a lot of American factories being filled with such robots remotely controlled by people in other countries very happy to get paid $12k/year, and a whole bunch of very confused and also very unemployed Americans.

I suspect a lot of people will feel cheated if this is what happens… but also, I have not seen any specific minimum requirement for what is actually shipped for this payout. Musk being the troll he is, I wouldn't put it past him to buy out Hasbro, ship a million of these, and claim victory: https://www.amazon.com/Optimus-Auto-Converting-Transformers-...

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koomey%27s_law

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Definitions


Well there's no circular financing for one thing.


But this could have the goto articles for people interested in phrenology and eugenics


I don't disagree that openai is desperate, this is a fierce competition and Google has a pretty huge head start in a lot of ways, but I wonder at what point these people who constantly dismiss LLMs and AI will change their tune? I understand hating it and wishing we could all agree to stop things, I do too, but if you can't find any uses for it at this point it's clear you're not trying


You don't have enough credulity of wealthy people. Just imagine you didn't know anything about what he is talking about and you believe people's success is a good barometer of their expertise. Now what he's saying is amazing! You won't have to drive or do chores in a few years, actually a few years ago even! His stumbling over his words is just his big brain thinking of too many things at once


No one here said anything about this only applying to wealthy people, and I don’t think I’ve heard that elsewhere either.


Thankfully X isn't any more of an indicator of the "actual public" than bluesky


Unfortunately, when the silent majority stay... silent, their opinions go unmeasured and the vocal minority becomes "the public".


The reality distortion field is at ATH. Tesla stock is nearing its high, which it had when it was growing quickly and very profitable. Now they are shrinking sales and margins and the stock is soaring again


Eh, stock price is based on the hope that the reality distortion field will strengthen again and sales/margins will shoot up.

I guess it really does depend on which reality distortion field we’re talking about haha.


Cameras, like the other lidar-using companies also have, would just like they should here. Teslas problems go beyond a lack of Lidar.


Its the only system the manufacturer is willing to let it be employed everywhere. I bet Waymo would work better everywhere but they are safety conscious and care about liability.


> I bet Waymo would work better everywhere but they are safety conscious and care about liability.

Except you'd need to map "everywhere" in high-fidelity 3D, save it somewhere in the car, and have it accessible near-realtime. The real reason Waymo can't service "everywhere" is that their approach doesn't scale.

And don't get me wrong - it's clearly a better service where it works (at this point in time), but it'll realistically only ever work in pre-mapped cities. Which of course would remove a ton of drivers and accidents, so still a win.


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