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Oh man, please don't ever use Joel Reymont as a language reference - his noisy, uninformed, continuous churn through various programming languages was exhausting back in the day. Just be thankful the hack has gone quiet.


Sounds like you owe the poster more than a beer


Seriously. The author feels as though they've lost $20k and months of their time, and the co-founder thinks the right response is to offer a beer and a chat.


Grandparent is asking for help, not offering repayment in the form of a beer. It's certainly not going to happen if the article's author also sees it as a compensatory transaction. Recognizing that the author has taken some time to consider what may be serious flaws in his program, GP is hoping that the author's desire to pave a better path for others may extend to helping him think about his own program critically.


The author also landed a job paying 6 figures after the program. To me it sounds like she got exactly what she paid for, the process just wasn't as perfectly amazing as she had hoped. She claims she could've done it without the program, but that's a pretty easy claim to make with no way of backing it.


Why do you feel like he is entitled to a refund?


I never said that.


Yes, but you basically implied he deserves "more."


No. Imagine offering a stick of gum to someone whose dog just died. If I suggest that's an inappropriate response, I am not implying they should've offered more gum.


A legendary racket from days past! Leave Cisco with technology and engineers, get generously funded by Cisco, get generously bought out by Cisco, inside Cisco enjoy sandbagged targets and guaranteed payouts, lather, rinse, repeat. Self-dealing masterpieces!


My impression from people who have been involved is that it's not just a self-enriching racket; mainline Cisco is actually really bad at building new products that aren't just minor variations on old ones. Sometimes they innovate through acquisitions, but if there's no external company to acquire sometimes you have to make your own to get your good engineers out of that environment of "sandbagged targets and guaranteed payouts" for a few years.


This.

(At the risk of getting down voted) Cisco is a sales driven company not an engineering company. Barring a few business units (and that too I'm being generous) there is absolutely no innovation or drive to build new products. It's a terrible place to work if you are an engineer with aspirations to tackle engineering challenges.


> Cisco is a sales driven company not an engineering company. > Barring a few business units (and that too I'm being generous) > there is absolutely no innovation or drive > to build new products.

this is _exactly_ right. for example, nick-feamster (formerly gatech, and now at princeton) hosted a google hangout with nick-mckeown (stanford) as part of his sdn mooc on coursera. the hangout video is approx. an hour long, and is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abXezfJsqso

initial 15-20 minutes of this video describes the experience of these n/w researchers (mckeown, cassado etc) when they presented their (sdn) idea to execs at csco, their (exec's) rejection of the said idea, which indicating to them (the researchers) that it (the idea) passed the so called 'idea-smell-test' :)

if you have time to spare, watch it !


What is wrong with your punctuation?


Some people speak with a lot of parentheticals.

We don't need speech to be a monoculture for people to understand one another.


Nothing wrong with the parentheses, I find myself doing that a lot as well. The issue is that the majority of the parenthetical statements are not useful information and not necessary to the point they are trying to make. That compared with seemingly nonsensical abbreviation and overall lack of coherent punctuation makes it an experience to read.


I don't see how disliking that poster's writing style translates into advocacy for a speech "monoculture."


I read the comment above as disapproving of the all of the parentheses in the gp post.

If you remove the posts from people who write that way from the total we are closer to a monoculture.

The difference between having one fewer way of writing and literally having one way of writing is the size of the rhetorical exaggeration in my comment


She might be a dyslexic, twelve year old whose first language is not English, has only one hand and is using a mobile.

On the other hand....


Perhaps s/he is on mobile.


"they"


Lisper?


Also, see the reactions from companies with big datacenters who have had to internally evolve off Big Netgear in a similar fashion to moving off Big Iron years before:

http://perspectives.mvdirona.com/2009/12/networking-the-last... http://perspectives.mvdirona.com/2010/10/datacenter-networks...


Out of curiosity, what do the acronyms "sdn" and "n/w" stand for?


Software defined networking, and likely just network(ing) I guess?


I used to work in one of the cloud/virt groups there. The management (from the first line to the top) lack vision both technically and otherwise. You have many teams, many directors, managers, and about 200 engineers working on some product, and this product has become so bloated. The engineers don't know what this product is meant for, except doing their part. This lead to resume enhancing technologies, which end up bloating the whole product. I can't provide more details here.

There is no way you can provide honest feedback.


I used to work at Meraki (pre- and post-acquisition). Even internally, the message coming down was that we were being kept in San Francisco so that we would not get bogged down in, well, being Cisco. Even after couple of years of 100% year-on-year growth, the engineering team there was still smaller than the Cisco teams working on some individual product launches.


While the argument could be made that Cisco has had zero decent products in the last fifteen years, nearly (if not) all of the ones that could lay claim to the title came from this particular business arrangement. Referring to it as a racket or 'self-dealing' is simply hyperbole.


They played with house money and set their own goalposts.



Ditto - would love to hear how he went from Loopt to that kind of wealth!


He got 40M from selling Loopt? Didn't Loopt raise 40M? How does Sam have 10M lying around?


According to the press releases from the Loopt exit, they had raised 17m at that point, and 9.8m of the acquisition was the golden handcuff for the employees. So sama probably doesn't have 10m just lying around and is probably pulling some financial acrobatics to get it, but he's putting on a brave face by quoting the amount nonchalantly.


Sequel is the bee's knees


So the rides are like blind dates?



Nice! They should let you swipe left, swipe right the other passengers


As long as the user needs to opt-in & agree to some kind of specially written dating/match-making, must be 18+, etc. sounds reasonable :)


Studying sounds like a strong word here. Author's an administrator, not a researcher. And he's likely bought in to the Uber economy; current openings at Oglethorpe are administrative and adjunct:

http://www.oglethorpe.edu/apps/careers/


Did you mean "a WTF service"?


Not sure if you're just joking or don't know what WCF is, but in case the latter is true:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms731082(v=vs.110)....


Can it be both?


Although I havent worked with WCF for sometime (Web API is all the rage now), WCF wasnt too bad. Pretty good for making REST services, if you wanted absolute control. They streamlined a lot of the configuration needs in 3.5 and 4.


Inventor of C++'s dream setup is simple and stable.


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