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Used this several years ago to take the family to Italy via sleeper service from the UK.

Perfect.

Sad that many of these international sleepers have recently shut down.



Doubly painful, now that people are once again more open to the use of a sleeper train to avoid flying (for environmental reasons, or just not having to deal with airports).

ÖBB took over Deutsche Bahn's sleepers, which coincided with the retiring of the last sleeper train from/to the Netherlands (bugger me). But their service does seem to be working pretty well.

I missed an opportunity to travel from Milan to Paris by Thello's sleeper train due to the railway strikes in France this year, unfortunately.

I really wish the EU or collaborating national governments would invest more in sleeper train services by taxing flights. It's much more sustainable, and the real kicker is this: yes, a train takes longer, but in a sleeper train you just wake up with a complimentary breakfast early in the morning in the middle of a city hundreds of kilometres from where you started.


Yes, a sleeper train needs to be compared to a flight + a hotel room, not just a flight alone.

DB going out of sleeper service was so sad. At least ÖBB took over some of it with their NightJet service and are replacing the rolling stock with newer cars, so is Caledonian Sleepers in the UK. Hopefully Trans Metropolitan will begin service as well to take over some of what was abandoned by DB.


> I really wish the EU or collaborating national governments would invest more in sleeper train services by taxing flights.

Why? If sleepers are so desirable, then the market should support them.


Because flights have co2 externalities that trains don't to the same extent. This is econ 101.


Flights are also subsidized at the moment by not taxing fuel at all. Also, the market doesn't care too much about the environment, hence governments.




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