I agree to an extent. I prefer a world where extreme hate calling for death of others doesn’t happen and isn’t tolerated. So the McVeighs (and death calling mullahs) of the world and company are justifiably deplatformable and if possible prosecuted for terroristic threats (and whatever else applies).
What I don’t agree with is conflating that with being un-PC. Or having s difference of opinion on contentious social topics, even if they can be personally offensive.
For example, for some, abortion is seen as pro-death. For others denying asylum is tantamount to a death sentence and thus is also death and hate. Or saying “f the police”. Police will say that is calling for hate, etc.
Today it feels like the PMRC was just a few decades too early. Would music be better without misogyny, violence, yes, in many respects but also we would deny a voice to those who feel oppressed and need an outlet to voice against the mainstream understanding.
In the absence of a government that makes clear laws concerning hate speech it’s up to the platforms to find a good balance.
From the YouTube blog post:
> We’ve been taking a close look at our approach towards hateful content in consultation with dozens of experts in subjects like violent extremism, supremacism, civil rights, and free speech.
So at the very least they claim to understand that it should not be a random decision.
An increase in censorship is very frequently good.
Consider a discussion forum that never banned any users or removed any spam. It quickly becomes very difficult to have a meaningful discussion when a third of the posts are "CHEEP ROLE X bUY NOW" and another third are racial hatred.
I thought censorship was never good? Now it's sometimes good except when it's based on "political ideologies," except for whatever example I bring up next, which of course is another exception.
Increases in curation (private censorship of one’s own offering) are very frequently good.
Whether the paying customers are consumers or advertisers, quality of curation is typically on of the main things they are paying for in content platforms. It’s true that there has been some effort to substitute algorithmic recommendation engines providing a consumer-specific view in place of curation, but it's also pretty clear that even the best of those is not viewed as an adequate solution by significant segments of the market.
Sure because targeted harassment, advocacy for the extermination of large groups, conspiracy theories like anti-vax BS that are actually killing people are just just fine
People against (limited) censorship usually react very quickly once it's their group that's being attacked (as some very famous subreddit does)
This is obviously untrue if you consider the people who call Ben Shapiro, who is Jewish, a Nazi. It's obvious to most people that people take wild liberties on the interpretation of words, especially when insulting people who they consider their enemies.
Or if you have concerns about high levels of immigration and it’s relationship to overall cohesion of society.
Views that were nominally conservative not long ago (and were actually also held by a lot of democrats) get recast as “Nazi!!1!1” in today’s environment. Weird historical inflection point we’re at.
NO. We're talking about people who want to exterminate other people. We know that because the last time they got power, we had mass executions (Holocaust), lynchings, and a century of extreme segregation.
This isn't a 'what-if'. We know what happened the last time.
Great, let's take down all fundamentalist Christian and Muslim videos now because we know that there were crusades and jihads in the past. I'm not being sarcastic, I really hope they apply this rule consistently. But my problem here is that I know that some of these groups will get a pass, and I think that's what a lot of people dislike about this rule but are not willing to admit.
You're taking something specific and applying it in the broad.
Directly as you quoted, "videos and channels that advocate for neo-Nazism, white supremacy and other bigoted ideologies", those are three separate things and there are a whole range of ideologies there.
The person I replied to specifically called that last one into question, because of the fact that it is so broad.
We we both able to point out other kinds of views that people consider to be bigotry and you literally just directly equated those examples with Nazis. This is exactly why people can't be given this kind of broad censorship power. You proved it in one comment. Congratulations.
Nope, we're talking about "videos and channels that advocate for neo-Nazism, white supremacy and other bigoted ideologies".
As much as I don't like censorship, views that advocate for extermination of other people can rightly fuck off.