God would be more perfect if he could create the whole universe without even bothering to exist.
God is completely perfect.
Therefor, God doesn't exist.
QED.
The ontological proof falls down when you try to use it to prove the perfect sandwich. The perfect sandwich is has all the perfect qualities a sandwich can have. One quality of the perfect sandwich is that it exists. Another is that I'm eating it right now. And.... dammit, magical thinking still doesn't work.
If it can't handle a perfect sandwich, what hope does it have with a perfect deity?
You're right, I am conflating definitions somewhat. Arguments get squished when typed quickly into a little textarea.
My point is that people don't just mean that "supernatural" is "that which we haven't observed and thus don't understand." There is an implication that we can't understand supernatural things using theories and evidence, which is crazy. (Be careful using the word "visible" in this context. Plenty of matter isn't visible, but I doubt anyone would call electrons supernatural. I think you mean visible in the not-just-visual sense, yes?)
What does it mean to say that something exists, but has no effect on any part of the universe, no aspects that can ever be observed in any way, that leaves no footprint that can ever be detected? I think we call those kinds of things "imaginary".
If it can't handle a perfect sandwich, what hope does it have with a perfect deity?
You're right, I am conflating definitions somewhat. Arguments get squished when typed quickly into a little textarea.
My point is that people don't just mean that "supernatural" is "that which we haven't observed and thus don't understand." There is an implication that we can't understand supernatural things using theories and evidence, which is crazy. (Be careful using the word "visible" in this context. Plenty of matter isn't visible, but I doubt anyone would call electrons supernatural. I think you mean visible in the not-just-visual sense, yes?)
What does it mean to say that something exists, but has no effect on any part of the universe, no aspects that can ever be observed in any way, that leaves no footprint that can ever be detected? I think we call those kinds of things "imaginary".