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I would love something like this. Over the past 5 years I have experienced my eyesight degrade since reaching 40 years old. I always use to quietly brag to myself about having such good vision. And then suddenly it gets a little bit of challenge to read, so you get a weak strain of reading glasses and from their you continue up in strengh ratings until you realise the person over the road from you has a blurred face and you have gone from needing reading glasses to needing glasses all of the time.


Since we're commiserating: the vergence of my eyes is failing and I'm not even 40. My actual vision is perfect; better than ever. But apparently my eyes don't converge so well anymore, giving me horrific headaches if I look at any kind of screen for more than a few minutes :( Really sucks. Doc gave me prism lens so I can use a computer again, but they're exhausting to use. Hoping I can find a specialist after the pandemic is over and figure out a better option; really don't want this to get worse.

Kind of sick joke, considering I spent almost a decade of my career doing computational imaging and computer vision work.

2020 :/


I had something like that and doing a few minutes a day of magic eye / 3d stereograms sessions helped me a lot. That consisted of learninng how to see them then learning to hold the image up in 3D (feels like starring behind the image) then rotating the eyes around while holding the stereogram in focus (looking at all parts of the image not just center). This helped strenghten my eye muscles and tension/headaches went away.


That's good to know, thank you!

I printed out a Presbyopia chart (http://www.robert-silverman.net/presbeninst.htm) that was linked on HN awhile back and started using a Brock string. Figured I'd do those until the pandemic is over and I can get some professional vision therapy.

Guess I'll pick up a magic eye poster too. At least it'll be more fun than staring at a string for five minutes.


There are tons of magic eye available as images online. Not all magic eye images are equal and beware they all have different depths and some are more visible and pop up faster than others. Some are particularly pleasant to stare at.

Btw, there is even a magic eye tetris out there. Playable only when one is proficient at seeing magic eye images.


Contact this guy. It looks like a non-surgical solution may be possible :

  https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9370-hacking_how_we_see
Essentially, they use a VR headset to offset the shifted vision, and then gradually correct the difference in therapeutic sessions. Pretty ingenious.


Very interesting presentation, thank you for the link. I'll have to look and see if they've made progress since then; something I can try at home perhaps.


Looks like the project has been silent since May. Hopefully they'll resurface after the dust from the pandemic settles.


Wonder if a VR headset with a custom interpupillary distance (IPD) would work for you? eg set it to a distance that's not physically correct, but er... more correct for how your eyes operate.

If it's works, you'd be able to read text again. You'd just need to do it from inside VR. ;)


Look into IIH, 5th or sixth nerve is affected, causes double vision.

Diamox fixes my double vision. Before that I was using prism glasses.


6th cranial nerve palsy is what got my vision. Unknown cause. I chanced it with strabismus surgery and it has really paid off for me.


How did you know it was that? I've had a quite sudden change in vision (I used to be able to read without glasses or function daily without glasses, and in a matter of weeks or months I suddenly needed glasses all day, I'm 37) and it seems my astigmatism progressed, but not that much since before.

I also had quite bad posture during the confinement and wonder if I could have pinched a nerve?


Hard to say. Sudden Eye strain caM weaken the eyes. In my early 20s I tried to focus on something really hard. Then “owe” I couldn’t focus at all.

Apparently I had needed glasss for years, and that was the final straw.


I'll definitely have my doctor take a look. Thank you. It's so hard to find information about possible causes for convergence insufficiency. All my Google diggings have come up with the usual information about treating it in children :/


I was referred to a child eye doctor, as apparently no one bothers with adults. Never made it due to covid.

Diamox was almost an over night fix. That’s when I put it together. I had to dig like crazy to learn about cranial pressure and sixth nerve.

Eye doctors were all clueless on it. Even Neurlogist mostly were.


Cellular clocks may not be so useful with this.

Your eye has "extra flexibility" to focus at birth (that is, it can focus beyond infinity and nearer than is useful), but it slowly hardens and becomes less flexible. Around age 40-50 is when you really start to notice the loss in range, assuming you had something close to a normal balance between distance and near vision to begin with.


Anecdote with N == 1 as usual.

I am 42 and I started experimenting with NMN, NR and resveratrol in January.

My eyesight measurably improved, by about 1,25 dp, within weeks (I am shortsighted since childhood.) I no longer notice any eye strain even after looking into screens for hours. My very, very mild presbyopia disappeared. Also, I believe that I can see colors much more brightly, but this is something that cannot be measured easily, if at all.


Hi, could you give me more information about what NMN and NR are?



Any way to maintain flexibility through diet and exercise?


I don't believe so. It's my understanding that the protein structures that make the lens so flexible-- mostly alpha-crystallin --- are created during the development of the eye and slowly lost over time.

Later, transparency is lost in the cornea for similar reasons and we get cataracts.

Then with cataract surgery you can choose your preferred focal length for your new stiff artificial lens.


Fuck man, this sucks. How come some people manage to still not need glasses past 50 then? What did they do different?


I'm in that category - I've noticed is that me and other mountain climbers and hikers seem to age better.

Could be selection bias - the unhealthy with poor eyesight could have quit or fallen off a ledge.


I doubt that that's a key factor. There's a lot of luck on initial refractive error, etc.

I don't need reading glasses. One reason is I have one eye with a slightly near refractive error and one with a slightly far refractive error. They're also both pretty close to nominal, so losing a bit of range on focusing doesn't hurt as much as if I'd been biased one way or another.

I do notice that I prefer slightly larger text than before. I bet if I tried reading glasses that I'd find that they lend some benefit.


I notice that after a long hike in the mountains, I can see a bit better. The effect stays for several hours.

Probably the eyes need some training too, refocusing onto near and far objects frequently. We live in a computer screen world, this is very unnatural for our eyes.


Maybe it’s from focusing to infinity for a long period of time.


Is there an incentive to perform peer-reviewed, triple-blind, controlled studies on people to see if diet and exercise helps? Then there's no way to know.


*quadruple blind. The subjects in this study are blind as well.


Vision loss + tinnitus: something that makes getting up in the morning hard to do!

The thrill of being able to restore these two things alone would be indescribable.


Hopefully your optometrist has warned you that it just gets worse and there's nothing they can do.


Precisely same here most noticeable on screens and in morning. My wife passed me her glasses and my screen became sharper than ever. My fear is using them too much might then mess up my non glasses vision.


Probably not. Age-related near vision loss is due to the lens of your eye losing flexibility with age, and not being able to change shape as much to focus on near things, and not any kind of baseline refractive error.


Same experience, aging sucks.




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