>> less taxes (causing young folks to go heavily into debt for worthless degree credentials)
So let me understand this thought process? It is better for Taxpayers to pay for "worthless degree credentials"
The biggest problem in society as far as jobs are concerned is credential-ism itself. A standard public education should be good enough for a person to obtain a good middle class job, a K-12 education should be good enough for 50-60% of all jobs in the market
That fact that it is not, is a huge indictment of both the private sector demanding too much, and the public school system no providing proper standard of education.
K-12 SHOULD NOT be "college prep" like it is being treated today, and a person SHOULD NOT need a 4 year degree to do the most basic jobs in society, up to and including computer programming or other general IT work.
I think you have it in your mind that the government can solve all of these problems with higher taxes and more spending, when in reality government is almost exclusively to blame for the majority of the problems
> The biggest problem in society as far as jobs are concerned is credential-ism itself. A standard public education should be good enough for a person to obtain a good middle class job, a K-12 education should be good enough for 50-60% of all jobs in the market
Why? What if the markets’ supply and demand curves indicate need for people with more than high school education, and an oversupply of people with just high school education?
Note that I think US public school education standards are basically non existent, and there should be a massive retooling to ensure higher standards (including standardized testing) and more focus on actual skills in high school so that at 18 the kid comes out with something usable.
But I do not see how or why our society can guarantee someone a certain class of living with an arbitrary amount of education.
But there are far more jobs demanding a college degree where it's not required to be successful at that job, than jobs requiring college degree skills and knowledge but accepting under qualified high school graduates.
>>What if the markets’ supply and demand curves indicate need for people with more than high school education
Then that indicates the high school education is not stringent enough for the market, and should be adjusted accordingly
> and an oversupply of people with just high school education?
The market is showing currently an extreme lack of qualified people. if the market is saying there is an " oversupply of people with just high school education" but there are millions of jobs open, that means the market is telling us that a High School Diploma is meaningless to the market, which as you point out that is what many employers are saying. They are hire people with a High School Diploma and it is a crap shoot where they have basic levels of education or not because in many schools its a participation award not a skills award
This has driven employers to respond with demanding higher levels of "education" in an effort so screen people..
> The market is showing currently an extreme lack of qualified people.
And/or a lack of commensurate wages to incentivize qualified people.
We agree on the situation as it currently is of high school being worthless since you pass just for showing up at least half the days of the school year.
But supposed there is a future where K-12 education is rigorous and we improve to the point that calculus and basic physics/chem/bio are as normal as reading and writing, then I can envision a situation where K-12 might not be enough.
I disagree with you about government as the solution. First, the government should cover, at no cost, two years of community college. Second, employers should be unable to mandate higher education that requires candidates to go into tens of thousands of dollars of debt if employers can't show that credential isn't materially required to perform a role's functions.
>>First, the government should cover, at no cost, two years of community college
I am honestly not opposed to that... But I still believe we should have a better Public Education system less focused on "college prep" and more focused on actual education, preparing people for Life, Jobs, etc as an adult.
The 2 years of Community College should be Vocational Training for the chosen field after your General Education is done in the K-12.
But many people go to Community College to complete their General Education College requirements for their 4 year degree..
> Second, employers should be unable to mandate higher education that requires candidates to go into tens of thousands of dollars of debt if employers can't show that credential isn't materially required to perform a role's functions.
Will be difficult to enforce. Employers can always look at the degree and secretly use it as a criterion, while being prepared to claim there was something else about the candidate that led them to hire her.
So let me understand this thought process? It is better for Taxpayers to pay for "worthless degree credentials"
The biggest problem in society as far as jobs are concerned is credential-ism itself. A standard public education should be good enough for a person to obtain a good middle class job, a K-12 education should be good enough for 50-60% of all jobs in the market
That fact that it is not, is a huge indictment of both the private sector demanding too much, and the public school system no providing proper standard of education.
K-12 SHOULD NOT be "college prep" like it is being treated today, and a person SHOULD NOT need a 4 year degree to do the most basic jobs in society, up to and including computer programming or other general IT work.
I think you have it in your mind that the government can solve all of these problems with higher taxes and more spending, when in reality government is almost exclusively to blame for the majority of the problems
More government will not solve it.