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> The Russian demand of a neutral Ukraine outside of NATO is not unreasonable

Talk of Ukraine joining NATO or the EU was significantly influenced by Russia's invasion of Crimea. Russia was not demanding neutrality, it is demanding Ukraine be a vassal state under the threat of .. making it a vassal by force.

> Russia has no interest or capability of taking Ukraine or the EU. Say no to war

They literally invaded Ukraine, and are deliberately using illegal munitions on civilian targets.



> Talk of Ukraine joining NATO or the EU was significantly influenced by Russia's invasion of Crimea

It was long before that. Ukraine was practically pushed towards joining NATO during Bush Administration using any "soft" means possible.

Euromaidan (which the US had actively engaged in) also happened before Crimea, not after.

> deliberately using illegal munitions on civilian targets

Any solid source to that? Doesn't seem like there is any possible reason for that, other than completely demonizing someone's image.


>Any solid source to that? Doesn't seem like there is any possible reason for that, other than completely demonizing someone's image.

Those https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t27gu7/butterfly_l... lovely things were found at second day around bombed school or kindergarten https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1 . It's usually been delivered by uragan system

Also there are video recording of cluster munition exploding in residential areas in kharkiv and empty uragan sized rockets with cassets for munition stuck in ground near by.


Sorry, but r/ukraine has hardly been a solid source for the last few years.

I've already seen a few older videos of Ukraine Armed Forces attacks on Donetsk being presented as "new videos of Russian armed forces bombing civilians", just as Arma 3 gameplay videos: https://www.pcgamer.com/arma-3-clips-masquerading-as-footage...

Reports of soviet munitions, coming from the country that has been one of the centers of soviet military-industrial complex, raise some skepticism.




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