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> We don't want you to to be subservient.

Are you sure you don't? Can you explain to me why your new foreign policy states that "The United States must remain the world's only superpower, unchallenged by any other nation."?

( http://web.archive.org/web/20071012015838/http://www.crf-usa... ) ( http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/etc/wolf.... )

BTW, Tell me how it goes with China...

> Whenever something big needs doing, the question is "how do we get the US to do it?"

Please give me examples of "something big that needs doing" that the US did, so that I can refute you. The US mostly only does what is best in its self-interest (actually, nowadays, in the self-interest of a small elite, but let's not have that discussion) - and this is perfectly reasonable. Do we need a group of self-appointed cops of the world?

And if we do, do you think the US would be a good model (start a war - were people die, woman get raped, etc - for nothing - remember - there were no WOMD and Bush knew it)?

> BTW - We know that you're talking smack because you're not afraid of anything these days.

Of course. Because the US is currently driven by fear, right? Fear of terrorists - ok, "let's drop all our freedoms to pretend to be doing something about another attack - the rich and powerful can surely take something of this."

And if you think about, it is scary how many of your freedoms were dropped (if the government want, they can have you arrested right now, with no charge, for as long as they want), how many laws were broken and ignored (immunity for the telcos - hahaha), etc.

Fear the economy will collapse? "ok, let's take 700 billon dollars from the taxpayers and give to irresponsible and stupid (well, maybe they are not so stupid after all...) bankers - this will surely help."

Fear your kids will get violent? "ok, let's ban violent video games and stuff. They must be the reason why kids fight so much each other."

Yeah, right. I wonder what comes next.



> Are you sure you don't? Can you explain to me why your new foreign policy states that "The United States must remain the world's only superpower, unchallenged by any other nation."?

You do realize you're citing (1) what someone wrote as an interpretation of some cobbled together quotes and (2) a draft document that the cite itself admits was changed in the relevant part.

However, a more interesting question is why you think that US policy matters. The Chinese and Russians don't think that they have to have the US' permission to develop their capability.

Why would the EU need the US permission to build some carrier groups or some airlift capability? (The latter was part of the point of AirBus, right?)

>>> Whenever something big needs doing, the question is "how do we get the US to do it?" > Please give me examples of "something big that needs doing" that the US did, so that I can refute you.

It's not the "did" but the "needs doing" - my point being that unless the US gets involved with something, the rest of the world stays out as well.

I'm amused that you're asking me for world trouble-spots; you keep telling us that Americans are clueless about the rest of the world.

I mentioned Sudan and the other things in sub-saharan africa. Or, is that too small or unworthy of your attention?

Surely you're not going to claim that the world is fine except for Iraq. As a sophisticated "citizen of the world", surely you've got a long list of things that need doing.

Go down that list and ask "why isn't my country (or the EU) handling this?".

> Fear the economy will collapse? "ok, let's take 700 billon dollars from the taxpayers and give to irresponsible and stupid (well, maybe they are not so stupid after all...) bankers - this will surely help."

At last count, the EU had put in over 3x as much.


> ..a more interesting question is why you think that US policy matters.

I didn't say I think this. You are the one that claimed the US doesn't want the rest of the world to be subservient - I am just pointing out you might be wrong. And the fact that they changed the document doesn't mean the person who wrote it changed his intention.

> ...unless the US gets involved with something, the rest of the world stays out as well.

This claim is absurd.

> I'm amused that you're asking me for world trouble-spots

I am not. Read my question again.

> ...you keep telling us that Americans are clueless about the rest of the world.

I never said that or anything similar in my entire life. Not sure who / what are you are referring to as "you". I guess you (specifically you - I don't like to generalize) bought into all that paranoid stuff...

> Go down that list and ask "why isn't my country (or the EU) handling this?".

I live in Brazil. It improved remarkably in the last 10 years or so, but it still a poor country. Still, this doesn't mean Brazil does nothing for the rest of the world: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2003/03/58274 . There are many more examples, if you care to look for them.




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