Veryyy slowly... but I think its the same issue with it.
>100MB+ downloads
When is that ever the case? Certainly not the VM or even a "odd" toolkit like SWT.
>Startup time is more important than most developers think
Agree. Any app its more important them people think.
The bottom line is if you want maximum responsiveness, minimum size, you have to eliminate layers, not add them. And Obj-C + cocoa is a fairly productive environment.
however, it isn't necessarily small or fast to startup - have you downloaded or tried to create a cocoa app lately? 30 + meg is common for the most basic things. And they are anything but instant to start up. Sounds like you want quicksilver like performance - which means pre loading - or just use quicksilver (probably already is a del.icio.us thing in existence).
Well the only ones I know are as a user - adium, various dinky little utils like twitteriffic. Downloads seem to be min 30 meg, and memory usage around twice that, minimum. I just have never experienced cocoa apps to be any common definition of "lightweight". Maybe they are poorly written apps, but they work fine, and I only use the common stuff.
"quicken-like" - well that means nothing unless it replicates the girth of horrible accounting rules that quicken has to adhere to - if its a "quicken like" accounting app, I guess it would not, so I don't think that really is a useful measure.
Veryyy slowly... but I think its the same issue with it.
>100MB+ downloads
When is that ever the case? Certainly not the VM or even a "odd" toolkit like SWT.
>Startup time is more important than most developers think
Agree. Any app its more important them people think.
The bottom line is if you want maximum responsiveness, minimum size, you have to eliminate layers, not add them. And Obj-C + cocoa is a fairly productive environment. however, it isn't necessarily small or fast to startup - have you downloaded or tried to create a cocoa app lately? 30 + meg is common for the most basic things. And they are anything but instant to start up. Sounds like you want quicksilver like performance - which means pre loading - or just use quicksilver (probably already is a del.icio.us thing in existence).