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What the hell is up with HN people's fascination with V? HN is the only place I ever see people who have drank the V kool-aid. Why is the HN crowd seemingly so gullible? It's the same thing with cryptocurrencies and AI and NFTs; if there is a tech-adjacent hype train, you can bet there's constant spam from HN commenters who have bought it hook, line and sinker.

Stop. It's boring.



You replied to the creator of the V language.


Ah.

And therein may lie the source of my frustration: HN is full of not only gullible people who fall for these scams, but also the very perpetrators of these scams, using HN as a tool to generate hype.


Why is v a scam? Genuinely curious, I don't know much about it besides it being a c++ competitor.


There has been a lot of ink spilled about how V is not as advertised. I am not going to repeat everything here, but here are some articles you can have a look at:

* "V Language Review (2022)": https://mawfig.github.io/2022/06/18/v-lang-in-2022.html

* "V is for Vaporware": https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23/ (and its follow-up, "V is for Vvork in Progress": https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03/)

* This comment on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/vq4ul...

There's a whole lot more out there too.


The same good old 5 year old article that claims V's networking uses system("curl"), complaints that V doesn't run on every single Linux distro on release, uses debug builds with slow backend to measure performance, and complaints about V using git/make/libc and even electricity.

The 2022 article about type checker bugs that have been fixed years ago, and with false claims like the string.len one.

First sentence in the reddit comment:

> V initially made some promises that seemed completely unrealistic (automatically translating any C or C++ program to V)

lol

https://github.com/vlang/c2v

https://github.com/vlang/doom

Completely unrealistic while they literally exist and work.


So, is the 2023 version also a lie? https://n-skvortsov-1997.github.io/reviews/

At the time I was able to reproduce pretty much everything that was said I. This article.


The fact that these things were lies at the time should frame any reading of any current promises made by the V project. I have written the project off and am not aware of its current status, but I believe that its recent history (that article from 2022 is not 5 years old) should frame anyone's reading of current promises made by the project.


There were no lies at the time.

V not running on every single Linux distro on release is not a lie.

V compiling without deps is not a lie (cc v.c).

etc

The 2019 article is 5 years old. Easy to count.


To bystanders who are interested in V: I recommend that you read the articles (especially the most recent one from 2022) and alex-m's response here, and decide for yourself which side you find the most trustworthy. I have nothing more to add and will not respond further. Goodbye.


Yes and please run the examples from the 2022 articles to verify that these type checker bugs have all been fixed.

(Not that having type checker bugs makes a language a scam in the first place.)

@mort96

It's very unfortunate that you make strong claims like "None of the features which sound interesting actually work, and there's no sign that anyone working on the language has any idea how they'll make them work."

and fail to post a single proof of such features.


It's not a scam. Read the posts by this person on this page. They're obsessed with the language and make up all these lies.


“My haters are just obsessed with me”

“My haters are just jealous”

Or maybe you and your product are actually bad


Well can you please list the actual reasons the product is a scam?


I believe you have been given links which explain that in great detail.


I don't want links to articles that claim V is a scam because it uses git and electricity.

I want examples of actual false claims on the website. Because you originally said every single claim on the website is a lie.


The link I sent gives precise claims compared with advertised features. Anyway I realise I’m feeding a troll here so good luck


Like I said, a self proclaimed V hater

for example:

> Another lie, Alex himself wrote to me in Telegram, not the moderator.

the entire thing isn't even about him, but a different person, and that person was contacted by the moderator. Yet this guy thinks it's about him.

Not a very unbiased source.

Bugs and leaks don't make the project a scam. Every project has bugs.



Ironic coming from a gullible person calling a legit open source project a scam.


So much hate yet I'm sure you can't even list 3 reasons to hate V.


Seems you’re just going around lying to people in order to get them to pay you https://n-skvortsov-1997.github.io/reviews/

Isn’t this fraud?


What on earth are you talking about?

This is an article by a guy who calls himself a "V hater" and the stuff from discord sreenshots wasn't even addressed to him.

What are the lies? Please list them here, I'm genuinely interested. Bugs in experimental coroutines, a new WIP feature no even mentioned on the home page yet?

Again, please list just 3 reasons V is a scam.


I mean the whole article gives a huge number of ways in which you have lied about the language, and the whole internet is full of “V haters” who seem to be able to give solid evidence that it’s a scam

I’m sorry but this is kind of reading like a paranoid conspiracy level of denial. There is a reason why everyone hates your product and organisation. It’s not some conspiracy against you. It’s that you lied and it sucks


Can you please list 3 of those ways. I'm not seeing it.




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