Heh. Whatever nifty location rewriting javascript you're using makes it impossible for me to browse your site - eg. http://www.nutrivise.com/#terms/ just points to your homepage.
Also: the 'terms of use' on that page are bogus. "The most advanced nutrition system [evar!!1!]" vs. "NUTRIVISE MAKES NO WARRANTIES ABOUT THE ACCURACY, RELIABILITY, COMPLETENESS, OR TIMELINESS OF THE MATERIAL OR THE WEB SITE ... WHETHER BASED ON THIRD PARTY INFORMATION OR ON RATINGS GENERATED BY NUTRIVISE." Oh? So what are people paying you for then, if not expert advice that you're willing to stand behind?
The location rewriting is the Backbone router stuff that uses pushState. Pretty common HTML5 stuff, you'd have to be using a moderately old web browser. Most common one we're aware of that's guilty of not supporting this is Firefox 3. What's yours in this case?
This is how terms of use work on most websites. In our case, we're in a particularly tricky situation because the meal plans we lay out have the ability to be incredibly useful to our users, but only if they actually comply with them.
Since compliance isn't something we can ensure without a human being watching them 24/7 (including when they're asleep in case they're sleep-eaters, an actual phenomenon), we have to put in place that terms of use for that reason and others.
Others including situations like people with severe allergies. We cannot guarantee the absence of allergens in recipes/food coming from some of our third party sources. To guarantee as much would endanger the health of our users and would be irresponsible.
I'm sorry you don't feel we don't stand behind our product. We really do stand behind what we do and believe we're working on something that has the potential to help a large portion of westerners with weight issues.
The nutrition researchers and dietitians we work with feel so strongly about our product that it's being used in a weight loss case study involving many subjects that will allow us to further refine our already substantial improvement on the current state of consumer nutrition.
My email is in my profile, contact me if you'd like to discuss this further. I'd be interested to hear what you think we could do to better show we feel confident about our software.
Yep, Firefox 3.6.24. The most up to date one on the version of Linux that I'm using at work. I'm not sure why you/backbone need to rewrite the URL though - surely a vanilla page would work just as well?
I understand compliance, allergies etc. are a tricky issue. There a more narrow disclaimer and/or warning (eg. this recipe contains nuts/gluten/...) would be definitely appropriate, not to mention useful if it were on the actual recipe page.
But that's separate to the information that you're providing - I assume meal plans and exercises? In that case the disclaimers completely overstep the mark, and undermine any claims of competence. Would you trust an engineer who disclaimed all liability should their bridge fall down? Or a doctor who wanted you to waive the right to all negligence suits?
>Yep, Firefox 3.6.24. The most up to date one on the version of Linux that I'm using at work. I'm not sure why you/backbone need to rewrite the URL though - surely a vanilla page would work just as well?
It's not really that simple, it has to do with how Backbone falls back when the pushState functionality is missing and how it interacts with the structure of our site. We're currently looking into better ways to shim/workaround this somewhat lackluster default functionality.
>I understand compliance, allergies etc. are a tricky issue. There a more narrow disclaimer and/or warning (eg. this recipe contains nuts/gluten/...) would be definitely appropriate, not to mention useful if it were on the actual recipe page.
I just listen to the lawyers (and my CEO) on these matters. My job is to build product to help people.
>In that case the disclaimers completely overstep the mark, and undermine any claims of competence. Would you trust an engineer who disclaimed all liability should their bridge fall down? Or a doctor who wanted you to waive the right to all negligence suits?
Would you refuse to work with a doctor because he had malpractice insurance or an engineer because he worked through an LLC? It would be irresponsible for either of them to do without.
You seem to act as if our terms of use is somehow extraordinary when it is anything but.
I'm not here to debate hypothetical circumstances, just make things to help people.
Let me know if you want a beta invite via my email address so you can decide for yourself.
One solution to the lack of pushState is to just offer the non-JS version of your website to such old browsers. Easiest way to do that is to have the JS bits disable themselves if pushState isn't found.
Or, you know, just use regular links. That part of the site isn't a web app, it's just a regular web page. Why make things more complicated than they have to be?
edit: Particularly when I just tried it at home in Chrome, and it ended up at http://www.nutrivise.com/terms/ anyway. Or did you come to the same conclusion re: links?
