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That doesn't really matter if all you're doing is measuring the relative change in GDP though, and the amount of activity that doesn't register on GDP isn't increasing.

In other words, if you assume non-GDP activity is constant, then GDP does genuinely and accurately reflect economic growth.

Indeed, this is one reason why economists recommend GDP as a useful measure of growth in a country year-over-year, but not for comparing different countries' GDP directly -- the ratio of activity not counted as GDP may be quite different between countries.

Now, if you think that a massive social transformation is underway of non-GDP-registering activities to GDP-registering activities -- e.g. people used to care for their grandmas, now all those people have gotten jobs to pay for care assistants to do it instead -- then yes GDP will show "false growth" in productivity.

But that really doesn't seem to be a major factor. We really are seeing massive amounts of innovation in the economy that improve people's lives. Economists don't just look at GDP -- they look at lots of measures that all tell the same story. Productivity really is going up. GDP growth may not be 100.00% accurate, but it is mostly.



> Now, if you think that a massive social transformation is underway of non-GDP-registering activities to GDP-registering activities -- e.g. people used to care for their grandmas, now all those people have gotten jobs to pay for care assistants to do it instead -- then yes GDP will show "false growth" in productivity. But that really doesn't seem to be a major factor.

But isn't that the issue?

Before: one working-age person in the household worked part time, or did not work at all. She (it was usually a she) could get the kids off to school, pick them up after school, check in on grandma, do the shopping, cook a simple meal.

Now: the working-age person goes to work, perhaps because the family fell apart, perhaps because other rising costs (e.g. health care) forced it. Before and after school care is paid for. Someone is paid to check in on grandma. Walmart+ or Amazon occasionally delivers heat-and-eat meals.

GDP went way up! Amazon contractor has a job delivering boxes. Someone is paid to check in on Grandma, and someone else to watch the kids. Someone works in the factory making heat-and-eat meals.

But are we really better off? Is it better to staff out the kid- and Grandma-watching and to heat up a dinner in the microwave? I'm not sure anyone knows the answer to that question, but I'm certainly not sure that "we really are seeing massive amounts of innovation in the economy that improve people's lives."


I've got two young kids in full-time daycare. Our daycare is crazy expensive. We tried the route of one parent stay home to be a caregiver this year. In the end, our kids weren't continuing on the same trajectory as what they were when they were in daycare. One child continued on part-time at the daycare doing a two day a week schedule and was noticeably falling behind his peers in his education and socializing. Not for a lack of us trying, my wife was very active in trying to be with both kids. But two very young children can be quite demanding. And in the end our house was messier (kids tearing everything apart all day long versus just a few hours), we still had pretty much the same diet, my wife was more tired and frustrated at the end of the day, etc.

My wife is back to having a wage, and both kids are back to full-time daycare. They both really enjoy school. And comparing them to their peers who stay at home, they're usually way ahead when it comes to counting and numbers, vocabulary, spelling, reasoning, and social skills. Which I mean makes sense, they're around people who got degrees in education with professionally thought-out lesson plans every day.


Sure, if you're measuring since 1850 or 1900.

But has this changed massively over the past 30 or 40 years? Not really.

Frozen dinners have been around since longer than most of us have been alive. Working couples in the 1980's were figuring out what they'd do with grandma. Nursing homes have been around for a looong time. Mail-order delivery of boxes has been a thing since the end of the 1800's -- there were Sears warehouses long before Amazon warehouses.

That's all I'm saying. However, employees genuinely are much more productive than they were in the 1980's, thanks to e-mail and cell phones and the Internet and collaborative online document editing and so much more. You can get things done in an hour that used to take you 2 weeks of back-and-forth.

The productivity growth is real. It's not an illusion based on what GDP doesn't capture.


    > Before: one working-age person in the household worked part time, or did not work at all. 
Economists call this unpaid (usually, emotional) labor.


The GP's point matters quite a lot, because the ratio of GDP to non-GDP value is going up. Terms like "financialization" or "commodification" describe a process that makes things visible and measurable. I think this is also what the book Seeing Like A State meant by "legibility".

And the whole reason it's a bad thing is that the human values that can't be converted to a measurable, tradeable commodity are often thrown away, because they're invisible to the commodification process.


You can assume what you want if it makes you feel better, but assuming that I am both seeing Grandma at 2PM and working for wages at 2PM is going to disappoint someone.

One of the ways we seem to be absolutely destroying the social fabric for younger people is by eliminating ("privatizing") every last public space and time in which they're allowed to exist without driving there and paying a fee for a structured transactional recreation. We have privatized the commons in an analogous way to the Enclosure Movement in industrializing Great Britain.


> We really are seeing massive amounts of innovation in the economy that improve people's lives

Name some?

The issues people care most about atm seem to be getting worse (housing prices, cost of living, etc)


Cell phones are getting better. There are lots of websites on the internet. Batteries are getting better. Cars are getting better.

It is very common to focus on some large things that are bad and think that is the big picture without considering how much all the little things really add up to.


I don't really care a lot about any of those. I'm a lot more interested in relationships with people, the state of the environment, and general happiness. A better cell phone has never made more than the most marginal difference in my happiness.


All cell phones in my price range now have buggy firmware: this did not used to be the case. Good websites are much harder to find than they were in 2014. Cars are bigger and scarier and more numerous than ever before.

There are things that are better, but "batteries" is the only one from your list that I agree with.


I just picked up a $200 oneplus just for work accounts. It's completely fine. No lag. No issues. Zero bugs so far. 10 years ago were using what? Android 4 and iOS 6?


Are better cell phones making everyone's life better? I am doing nothing on my current smartphone that I didn't do on my first. I'm not even sure if I'm charging it less often. I guess the camera is a little better.


> I guess the camera is a little better.

Like many of the other items on the list, it’s a change that few people actually asked for and it’s more in the name of surveillance capitalism than consumer preferences or consumer choice.

Sure, social media can con children into thinking they need this. And after it’s normalized then adults might point it out as an improvement, but in the end it’s part of why the “improved” phone takes more hours of labor to pay for and the consumer has fewer options than ever with an illusion of more choice.


Oh, definitely. I just wanted to list the one improvement I have actually used, even if I didn't actually need it.


Incremental improvements I don’t think counts as the innovation you were hinting at.

Especially not when both phone manufacturers and car manufacturers are engaging in more and more rent seeking behavior


what good is it if you have a ton of gadgets and iphones all over the place but no place to live? I'd take a home with a bed over all the gadgets in the world, if i could only choose 1.

it's a fact that the housing standard of living has gone down for the last 26 years. See this graph: Nominal gpd per capita / case shiller housing index. and you'll see it's down 34% over the last 26 years!


>Cars are getting better.

And expensive that , at least in Europe, nobody is buying them anymore so the industry is going through layoffs.


It's a problem in the US as well. New cars are basically too expensive for most people to afford.


And it's no longer even legal to make basic cars without luxury toys like built in screens. Oh I'm sorry, I mean ""essential safety features"", that we managed to get on fine without only a few years ago.


True, we did get along fine without them, but at the cost of injury, death, and property damage. "Backover crashes" cause hundreds of deaths in the US each year.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/13237-...

Add the backup camera to the improved restraints, the collision warning system, the blind-spot monitor . . . and soon you're talking about some real money.

One can argue about whether this is good or bad, but they're not really luxury toys.


"Hundreds" in a country with hundreds of millions of people is inconsequential. The vast majority of people never backed over anybody because they used tricks called looking around and situational awareness. Techno gadgets meant to solve non-problems are toys in my books.


They are certainly luxuries, given that we were willing to drive without them.


I guess a house is a luxury too? The caveman lived without one.


Bit of a weak ooga-booga comment.

    No, humans are not cavemen, as cavemen lived thousands of years ago and had a different lifestyle than modern humans. The term "caveman" is a stock character that became popular in the early 20th century.
~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveman


It’s also very common to be delusional.


But not us, of course. That couldn’t happen to us. It’s those other people.




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