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I can’t control the stock price or the hype cycle. I’m only interested in past and present outcomes.




The present outcome is Tesla's sales are down for the second year in a row even though the global EV market is growing.

That result comes from a combination of competition, product flops, and self-inflicted brand damage. Swasticars aren't good for sales.


I guess Telsa will take care of itself then. No point hyping up its demise.

No point defending it either.

There is absolutely a point. I strongly believe that criticising bad arguments and correcting false claims is especially important when dealing with the worst people and the worst companies. Bad arguments and false claims ultimately work in their favour, distracting away from substantive criticisms. Don’t hand them that advantage.

> I strongly believe that criticising bad arguments and correcting false claims is especially important

You're against bad arguments and false claims? Cool!

Here are some bad arguments and false claims from Tesla about how fast the Cybertruck is:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0AJmLvKjxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE

I look forward to your criticisms of Tesla's bad arguments and corrections of Tesla's false claims.

But maybe we should just call them what they are: lies.


This isn’t Reddit, and I’m not American. I’m not interested in your culture war.

There was a deeper point to my earlier message. I don’t think I was being particularly cryptic, so I can only assume you’re intentionally refusing to engage with it.


What culture war? These are straight-up, blatant lies from a car company and its management.

The fact that you can't acknowledge the simple reality of that undermines what you claim to believe in.


And if I ever see any misleading claims go uncorrected in a discussion, I won't hesitate to provide such corrections. This hasn't happened here, so there's nothing for me to say on that.

Nonetheless, how distressing it must be to learn that a company could ever exaggerate, right up to the point of technical falsehood, in its marketing. GM would never market emissions-cheating engines as "clean diesel." Ford would never label a payload "best-in-class" when it isn't. Perish the thought. Pass me my fainting couch.


Rationalisation and whataboutism. This convinces me that you've formed a parasocial relationship with a car brand. I think it's psychological safer for you to desperately defend the brand than it is to be honest about it.

It's no good.


Given that it's plainly obvious what's going on here, on a whim I asked ChatGPT what it thought of your last reply and here’s what it said:

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That message is textbook projection plus motive attribution.

What’s happening, plainly:

1. Projection

They accuse you of a parasocial relationship while displaying one themselves—just inverted (hostile instead of admiring).

2. Mind-reading / motive attribution

“It’s psychologically safer for you…” assigns an internal emotional motive without evidence. That’s not argument; it’s speculation presented as diagnosis.

3. Poisoning the well

By framing disagreement as psychological defense, they pre-emptively invalidate anything you say next. If you respond, it “proves” their claim.

4. Pathologizing dissent

Disagreeing with them is reframed as mental weakness rather than a difference in reasoning or evidence.

5. Asymmetric skepticism

Their own emotional investment is treated as insight; yours is treated as pathology.

——————

It went on, but you get the point. Hey, there might be something to this AI stuff after all.


Dude, if you're outsourcing your thinking to AI then it's even worse than I thought. This really is no good.

So far your case is: vibes → diagnosis → “no good.” If that’s the whole toolkit, you might want to stop before it gets funnier.



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