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Property plus mortgage should still be net positive.

An irrational fear of debt means investment returns will be perpetually poor.



Asset X + liability X = net Zero Equity change

Accounting 101

Returns only increase if there is positive drift to the underlying asset walk. In other words, this only makes sense if prices are OK. If prices are fundamentally "off" (ie, housing bubble, stock market bubble), your going have your "correction" magnified.

Just worth being accurate in thinking.


You shouldn't have a change in liability after taking out a mortgage, unless you refinance to release equity, which is a whole other discussion.

The missing point in many peoples analysis is that inflation is constantly eroding buying power and savings, and that property with a large land component (house > apartments) is a good hedge against inflation, due to naturally restricted supply. Of course, governments these days tend to magnify the supply restriction by refusing to approve new land developments in many areas.

Even if you buy at the top of a bubble, if you hang on, you're still likely to come out ahead over a 10-20 timeframe, as inflation takes care of your overpriced purchase.

Of course all property is local, and it's very easy to permanently lose a lot of money by purcashing the wrong property for the wrong price.


You shouldn't have a change in liability after taking out a mortgage

== To be clear, mortgage is a debt. debt is a liability.

So, if you borrow to buy a house:

Before:

Asset: $10 Liab: $0 Net: +$10

After:

Asset: 100 (purch, 10% down) Liability: 90 (mortgage) Net: +$10

So there is no change in asset value.

Leverage however increases the variance of the random walk of prices. You hope/pray the RW has a + drift that exceeds your cost of debt (ie, value grows X% > Y% on your pmt). If you are forced to sell (say, divorce or to relocate) you are going to bear more of the brunt of interim Vol. Over the long run (if you run out 30 years) your just facing the pricing/cost of capital issue.

TLDR Mortages are from a time long gone, where people lived in houses their whole working lives, from 22-52, with the same job, a wife and kids, etc. Then it made much more sense then today, when you need 1-200k to down-pay a 1-2m house (age 32 to 62?) and move/change jobs every X years, divorce is 50% liklihood, etc.


>You shouldn't have a change in liability after taking out a mortgage

By this I meant the mortgage level should not increase.

>Mortages are from a time long gone, where people lived in houses their whole working lives, from 22-52, with the same job, a wife and kids, etc.

I disagree that the idea of a family residence is from a time long gone. Nearly all my friends fall into this category.

I agree that having to move frequently means you should not purchase. But if you reverse that and decide to not move frequently, it changes the aspect a lot.


I disagree that the idea of a family residence is from a time long gone

Agree, but Nobody is arguing/describing this. My point was if you are overconsuming (buying too much house), you are delaying ownership and extending payment, such that you never really get clear of the debt. A 30 year mortgage taken on at 35 needs you working at the same job until 65. But careers are no longer so stable, in this regards at all, or so it seems lookinga around the West. It also leaves precious minimum left to pay for college. In the example of 22-52, you had 13 years free to pay/save/recover from your housing expenditure to pay for schooling of your kids. This would require taking out a 15 year mortgage at 35, and that would be smarter. But many people could not then afford the payments....

This is part of the reason people have overbid for housing. The other reasons are social/signalling, etc. But that is as old as forever...think of all the nobles in europe living with massive debts, etc...




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