And G+ is worse because the thing with Facebook...I'm never FORCED to reveal my Facebook identity on the open web. G+ doesn't really give me that option.

You've clearly never been to one of the many sites that insists you log in through Facebook.

But that's fine. I don't care if there's a multitude of services that I never use anyway, and they require facebook login.

I care when services that I do use, purely by virtue of being bought/owned by google, are claimed by a social site I don't use.

The only one I recall it being mandatory on is Quora. Most offer Facebook as an alternative.

And as a result, I never used Quora.

Spotify was doing it when I tried to join. They apparently changed it later, to not require Facebook. But, you know, first impressions being what they are, I'll never be a subscriber. Trust is hard to recover once lost. Guess Google is going to find that out the hard way.

Oh, it works without FB again? I joined when it was new but never used it much (niche musical taste). When I tried to login again a few (4-12) months ago, it wanted to force me to use FB so I just started ignoring them altogether.

You can join Quora with email only, Gmail auth, or Twitter.

Facebook has a similar real name policy to G+ and Facebook also considers names to be public info.

https://www.facebook.com/help/224995697512520 https://www.facebook.com/help/292517374180078