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Has anyone seen actual performance of Weathfront portfolios? You would think people would publish their results, but they've been hard to find.


Be aware that published results are heavily skewed, and are sampling bias towards the successful portfolios. Actively managed funds do outperform the market from time-to-time, and they do get published. However, not the same portfolios (year-over-year), not the same fund managers, not the same issuers...

WealthFront and Vanguard and others who do passive fund management: they do get about market average. Not newsworthy, except that it is better than every other alternative on average.


Here you go - with risk level 6: http://i.imgur.com/5nchgSq.png

This compares to 14.4% for VFIAX (Vanguard 500) in the same time period.

In addition to the lower return, it's 0.37% in fees compared to 0.05%.


And the 500 index has a lower return from being top heavy. You would have gotten even better ROI with a broad market index like VTI.


These are not my only two investment vehicles.


As an anecdote, I've had some money in both Wealthfront and Betterment for the past 2 years. Both seem to be performing about the same, though betterment has better (but still very lacking) metrics on performance. They both show you what your money has done, but since I didn't deposit into both of them exactly the same amounts at exactly the same time every time, I can't compare them. Betterment at least shows some basic metrics about the time-weighted return over given periods in addition to your actual return, though you can't put in custom time windows. And of course, neither show you total fees you've paid in a time period.

The time-weighted rate of return on my betterment allocation of 80% stocks/ 20% bonds is -0.9% in the past 12 months and 12.6% total since May 2013 when I opened it.

By comparison the Vanguard 500 fund VFINX is up 3.8% in the past 12 months and 22.6% since May 2013 and looks like it has a 0.17% fee. So, it definitely does seem better than Betterment in every way. Meanwhile the S&P is up 4.6% in the past 12 months and up 23.8% since May 2013. Betterment and Wealthfront are very exposed to foreign markets, which somewhat ironically have been doing worse than the S&P for basically the whole time these services have existed yet they seem to be growing fast.


You're not doing tax loss harvesting in both portfolios are you? There are tax implications to that.

Also, comparing returns on different portfolios in different services is meaningless. You could have had a bond-weighted portfolio in one service and a stock-weighted portfolio in the other; saying that one service is better than the other because it had better returns makes no sense. The service you use can't possibly influence the performance of its underlying funds.

You should compare them on factors like features offered, ease of use, fees, customer service, etc.


17.4% since early 2013, risk level 7.5. http://i.imgur.com/I9SDElU.png

I don't think the number includes tax deferrals from loss harvesting. For example in 2014 I "lost" (harvested) about $40k -- note that my account ended in the black in 2014 -- that I paired with a short-term capital gain (read: high-tax gain), deferring those taxes and letting them compound until the far future when I am hopefully in a lower tax bracket.


10.9% since October 2013. Risk tolerance level 10.


Just look at the performance of underlying ETFs.




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